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Canvas bags on horses carrying shells?


tankengine888

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Hello!

I saw an image of Australian Pioneers in France, with men doing their separate things.. among them was a horse
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Looking to the middle of the horse [I'm not cultured in the nomenclature of body parts for the horse] I see canvas bags holding shells.. I've never seen this practice often if not at all. I was wondering if this was indeed a practice used by the Service Corps and/or Artillery.

Zidane.

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It was common practice used by the Royal Artillery, particularly during the Third Battle of Ypres in 1917.

The problem was moving ammunition limbers forward through the mid and slime......

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Hence the use of horses and mules to carry panniers full of ammunition....

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Though even they struggled in the mud....

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There were also ammunition carriers for men. One of the figures on the Royal Artillery Memorial in London features an ammunition carrier.

 

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An example from the Somme

Mounted British ammunition carriers passing through the village of Guillemont, 12 October 1916 IWM (Q 78844)

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Thanks Ian for both information and photographs!

Very interesting to see this method; especially the fact it was employed for men aswell! Ofcourse, logistics had to get through, especially the ammunition!

Interesting you mentioned the 3rd Battle of Ypres.. the photograph is deprived from members of the 2nd Pioneer Battalion on September 26th, 1917 during the Battle of Polygon Wood!

Thanks once again!
Zidane

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The original photo will be shells for the 4.5-inch howitzer. The other photos are 18-pr. The obvious difference being that 18-pr is QF, with the shell and cartridge case as a single unit. With the 4.5, the shell and cartridge case are packaged as separate units. The cartridge case and propelling charge comes in a small round steel tin about 4 inches tall.

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good evening,

here is one ammunition box for 4.5 cartridge cases :

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michel

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Hello,

here are two photographs  of a gunner with the Ammunition carrier vest .These photographs are taken from a film on the IWM website dated April 1916." with the royal artillery in action".

Gérald

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Its solid wok, carrying the 4 rounds any distance.

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