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Skipman

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I'm researching T1/5082 A.S.C. Duncan McDougall Enlisted 8/9/1914, Entered Theatre 22/8/1915. I'm trying to find out which unit he may have served with. I cannot find a T1/**** service record at all who entered theatre on the same date. Would a S2/***** number who entered theatre on the same date help to narrow down a unit, For example, the service record of S2/13532 C C West survives he embarked Southampton 21/8/1915 disembarked per S.S. 'Maiden' at Havre on 22/8/1915 (same day as McDougall) and was attached to No 3 Coy Guards Train.

Is it worth me pursuing any ASC numbers that entered theatre on the same date?

Mike

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his MIC has him as D/5082 , his fold 3 pension is referenced as just 5082, 

being a driver he could be anywhere , Ive checked McCabe the following number and nothing mentioned either and no t1/5081

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5 minutes ago, chaz said:

his MIC has him as D/5082 , his fold 3 pension is referenced as just 5082, 

being a driver he could be anywhere , Ive checked McCabe the following number and nothing mentioned either and no t1/5081

Thanks chaz. Just someone on Ancestry getting it wrong, can you believe that. See attached. Thanks for checking. What is McCabe?

I'm not sure I will ever know. I imagine those ASC men arriving on that date were at least on the same boat fromm the same destination and landing at the same place?

Mike

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I'm afraid this will be a thankless task, in my experience it is almost impossible to link ASC numbers to units, but good luck I hope you succeed.

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4 minutes ago, Gardenerbill said:

I'm afraid this will be a thankless task, in my experience it is almost impossible to link ASC numbers to units, but good luck I hope you succeed.

I think you're probably right. unless some clue turns up. All I have is a postcard written by him 4/3/1915 and stamped Bisley Camp B 4/3/1915 Woking " Dear Mother. We are still here for a few days but under orders to move at any time. Last weeks orders were a false alarm but we were ready in record time. I don't think we will be away this week yet so if you write by return I will be glad to hear from you. Love from Duncan. "

 

Mike

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Ernest Oldfield T1/5098 joined at Aldershot on the 8th Sept 1914.

But he was discharged medically unfit shortly afterwards, so hopeless for your task.

But I would agree with the above, it's probably a hopeless task.

Russ

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A very distant hope. Can you do anything with the date of arrival in theatre of war?

RM

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7 hours ago, rolt968 said:

A very distant hope. Can you do anything with the date of arrival in theatre of war?

RM

He entered Theatre France 22/8/1915 but can't find a service record for a T1/**** who entered theatre same day.

Thanks RussT you could well be right. I will go through them again

1914/15 Star Roll starting point worked back and forward from here https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/5119/images/41804_636897_11430-00132?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=2e04a9854b9a798b66fc831fc7e2c00d&usePUB=true&_phsrc=nQi532&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=1121745

T1/5095 D Noble No info

T1/4765 Charles Michael No unit given SR https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007274332%2f00265&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7274332%2f26%2f265

T1/4294 G Wright No info

T1/4293 C E Jay KIA 3/9/1917 7th Div. Attd. 47th Field Amb.

T1/3253 E Owen SR date of entry into theatre different than on Roll 10/8/1915 different from Roll https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007271645%2f01559&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7271645%2f144%2f1558

T1/3262 D J Jones No info

T1/3267 F Hughes No info

T1/3269 F S Lynch No info

T1/3228 H Evans No info

T1/3235 W Maden No info

T1/3246 G Peters No info

T1/3248 W McGregor No info

T1/3246 J T Highgate No info

T1/2234 A Lawson No info

T1/2208 W Sellers No info

T1/2211 W Pengelly No info

T1/2215 J Taylor No info

T1/2226 C A Scott

T1/2172 J McCarthy

T1/1053 D Evans

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A quick look in Mike Young's ASC book reveals over 200 HT Companies were formed between September 1914 and August 1915, Dvr McDougall could have joined any of these or he could have gone out as a replacement in a Company already in theatre. Knowing which Division arrived in France late August 1915 could potentially narrow down the search. 

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17 minutes ago, Gardenerbill said:

A quick look in Mike Young's ASC book reveals over 200 HT Companies were formed between September 1914 and August 1915, Dvr McDougall could have joined any of these or he could have gone out as a replacement in a Company already in theatre. Knowing which Division arrived in France late August 1915 could potentially narrow down the search. 

Thanks. I suppose the one that closest fits the bill would be the 15th (Scottish) Divion which went out in July but who knows.

 

Mike

 

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The four HT 15th Division Train Companies were 138, 139, 140 and 141. A trawl through their war diaries might throw up a few names and numbers.

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23 minutes ago, Gardenerbill said:

The four HT 15th Division Train Companies were 138, 139, 140 and 141. A trawl through their war diaries might throw up a few names and numbers.

Thanks again. I'm going to have to I think, a long shot but you never know.

Mike

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19 hours ago, Skipman said:

Thanks chaz. Just someone on Ancestry getting it wrong, can you believe that. See attached. Thanks for checking. What is McCabe?

I'm not sure I will ever know. I imagine those ASC men arriving on that date were at least on the same boat fromm the same destination and landing at the same place?

Mike

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Mike

McCabe was the next number on the roll  T1/5083 , George McCabe

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/5119/images/41629_626640_11841-00314?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=252c10818d268fe4951c3d33a3d5a170&usePUB=true&_phsrc=nnd10395&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=3586640

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1 minute ago, chaz said:

 

McCabe was the next number on the roll  T1/5083 , George McCabe

 

:blush: Sorry, thought it was some ASC History or something.

 

Mike

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