stillicho Posted 16 February , 2023 Share Posted 16 February , 2023 Hello I could use some help on interpreting some of this service record. I think I have the basics but some of the handwriting and terminology can be tricky, I have, Attested 9-10/12/15 and put in Army Reserve 4/6/17 Mobilised. RGA No 4 (Ripon), 23/6/17 459 Siege Battery (admin thing?) - I find the inclusion of Depot B (later 1st Siege Artillery Reserve Brigade, Shoreham-by-Sea) confusing here also. I am struggling to separate the lines and different dates. It is printed but the No 4 is written underneath it on final summary page. 22/10/17 posted to the BEF/France 29/10/17 posted to 24 Siege Battery 30/3/18 Casualty gun shot would right arm 6/4/18 ? Brigade ? Hospital 2/4/18 Invalided to England 29/6/18 - 8/7/18 Furlough Tipperary 30/8/18 - 6/9/18 furlough Shoreham - did he remain at Shoreham until his demob? Demob (z) 19/1/19 May be a Derby man. Also seems two sets of furloughs were used to extend recovery, and he committed an overstaying offence both times on the last day! I am struggling with the information on the medical stuff. Also is it possible he was promoted to Lance Bombardier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillicho Posted 16 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2023 Does anyone also know the unit hierarchy for the 24th Siege Battery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 16 February , 2023 Admin Share Posted 16 February , 2023 Can you post the document please that will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillicho Posted 16 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2023 4 hours ago, Michelle Young said: Can you post the document please that will help. Yes, sorry - I just wrote that extrapolation at some ridiculous hour last night and didn't really have time to post extracts. I will do it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin RussT Posted 16 February , 2023 Admin Share Posted 16 February , 2023 8 hours ago, stillicho said: May be a Derby man Definitely a Derby Scheme man (not from Derby - he was from the North East). 8 hours ago, stillicho said: RGA No 4 (Ripon) No 4 Depot RGA (Ripon) 8 hours ago, stillicho said: Brigade ? Hospital No 12 General Hospital The record was being entered by the Officer Commanding 21st Brigade. 24th Siege Battery RGA was a unit within 21st Artillery Brigade RGA aka 21st Heavy Artillery Group (HAG) His home-based units will need working out a bit more by examining all pages of his papers for clues. One page has his home-based postings as (after Ripon) 23/06/1917 to 04/09/1917 at Prees Heath 05/09/1917 to (I assume his posting overseas) at Lydd Codford is also mentioned but no dates. The LLT has some info on Home Based RGA units here that might help Royal Artillery depots, training and home defence units - The Long, Long Trail (longlongtrail.co.uk) Regards Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillicho Posted 16 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2023 2 hours ago, RussT said: Definitely a Derby Scheme man (not from Derby - he was from the North East). No 4 Depot RGA (Ripon) No 12 General Hospital The record was being entered by the Officer Commanding 21st Brigade. 24th Siege Battery RGA was a unit within 21st Artillery Brigade RGA aka 21st Heavy Artillery Group (HAG) His home-based units will need working out a bit more by examining all pages of his papers for clues. One page has his home-based postings as (after Ripon) 23/06/1917 to 04/09/1917 at Prees Heath 05/09/1917 to (I assume his posting overseas) at Lydd Codford is also mentioned but no dates. The LLT has some info on Home Based RGA units here that might help Royal Artillery depots, training and home defence units - The Long, Long Trail (longlongtrail.co.uk) Regards Russ Thank you. Cleared up a few things up already. First of some confusing extracts, Casualty, field, 29/10/17 earlier than and on same line as his joining 24th Siege Battery on 3/11/17. The joining the BEF is hard to make out (10/17) but on the statement of the services we have 22/10/17. Injured before he was posted to his battery then? It is confusing. Also 3/1 S ARB (3/1 Siege Art Brig or Battery?)? I cannot make out the word/unit below 24 Sge either., Also 459 Siege but what is the word below (1 ? Siege)? Thank you all in advance. And this is before going through the medical (which I will get to in good time)!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin RussT Posted 16 February , 2023 Admin Share Posted 16 February , 2023 57 minutes ago, stillicho said: Casualty, field, 29/10/17 earlier than and on same line as his joining 24th Siege Battery on 3/11/17. The date in the lefthand side is the date the record entry was made whereas the date on the righthand side is the date the actual event occurred. The date it says he joined 24 SB in the field is 29/10/1917 having been posted overseas on the 22/10/1917. 1 hour ago, stillicho said: 3/1 S ARB SARB = Siege Artillery Reserve Brigade 1 hour ago, stillicho said: lso 459 Siege but what is the word below (1 ? Siege)? No 1 Reinforcing Siege Depot Make a Table, put the date in Column 1 and then the event (e.g. posting) & the unit in the next two Columns. Go through his whole record in detail and jot down row by row each separate date/event/unit and then stand back to see if there are any contradictions. Regards Russ 1 hour ago, stillicho said: I cannot make out the word/unit below 24 Sge either. Missed that one - I think it says Clearing Office Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillicho Posted 16 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2023 3 hours ago, RussT said: The date in the lefthand side is the date the record entry was made whereas the date on the righthand side is the date the actual event occurred. The date it says he joined 24 SB in the field is 29/10/1917 having been posted overseas on the 22/10/1917. SARB = Siege Artillery Reserve Brigade No 1 Reinforcing Siege Depot Make a Table, put the date in Column 1 and then the event (e.g. posting) & the unit in the next two Columns. Go through his whole record in detail and jot down row by row each separate date/event/unit and then stand back to see if there are any contradictions. Regards Russ Missed that one - I think it says Clearing Office Russ Thanks. The continuation of the first page produces, 2/4/18 Invalided to England but do not know what ? A.T. ? is 20/4/19 GHQ BEF for officers ??? section RGA GHQ (?) Office posted Confusingly Tipperary is 9/9/18. His furlough states 29/6/18 - 8/7/18 10/9/18 No 1 Siege Art Reserve Brigade, Shoreham by Sea - cannot read rest on those lines. Also seems he wasn't always a Gunner. Lance Bombardier during Tipperary furlough (offenses sheet), Bombardier on his second furlough in Shoreham, Lance Bombardier when demobbed, These, with dates, should be on Statement of the Services but they lose interest after he is wounded. Perhaps the offenses sheet reveal something but I can only really see pay forfeitures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin RussT Posted 16 February , 2023 Admin Share Posted 16 February , 2023 6 minutes ago, stillicho said: 2/4/18 Invalided to England but do not know what ? A.T. ? is per AT (Ambulance Train) (AT) (for) Caesarea (a Hospital Ship). I think No 12 General Hospital was in Rouen so he was evacuated by Hospital Train from there to somewhere, perhaps Havre, and on to the Hospital Ship Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillicho Posted 16 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2023 Just realised that he was in hospital in Cheshire (Larey Town Hall?) ?/4/18 to 9/6/18 before Tipperary . There is some overlapping with the furlough dates. He seems to have entered hospital in Tipperary (10/7/18) after his Tipperary furlough ended (6/7/18) and his stint in hospital there overlaps with his furlough in Shoreham. Handwriting that I cannot make out may reveal something, Medical treatment good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillicho Posted 16 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2023 And further medical info, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillicho Posted 16 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2023 Probably something else actually, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillicho Posted 17 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2023 Regarding order of battle, WO 95/5468 I think 24th Siege Battery (6x6'' Howitzers), 21st HAG, in 3rd Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 17 February , 2023 Admin Share Posted 17 February , 2023 Looks like he had seborrhoea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seborrhoeic_dermatitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillicho Posted 17 February , 2023 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2023 8 hours ago, Michelle Young said: Looks like he had seborrhoea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seborrhoeic_dermatitis Thanks Just researched up Wallasey Military Hospital, Cheshire: Wa- was missing on hospital admissions form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyH Posted 18 February , 2023 Share Posted 18 February , 2023 (edited) On 16/02/2023 at 23:22, stillicho said: Wallasey Town Hall, completed in 1914 but was used as a military hospital for the duration of the war. https://www.historyofwallasey.co.uk/wallasey/wallasey_town_hall/index.html BillyH. Edited 18 February , 2023 by BillyH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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