Help with J. R. GAUNT. London Badges.

[roselyn2]

Can any member tell me what badges are these ?.   Thank you.    Lyn.p

[jay dubaya]

WW2 era RAF Apprentice

[tankengine888]

Hello Roselyn

They look like propellers which would fit with the rank of Flight Sergeant, but I don’t believe they are.

Possibly driver? Seen a similar one on a WW2 AIF Tunic

Must run to class now,

Zidane.

 

edit: Jay beat me to it.

Edited 21 November , 2022 by tankengine888

[FROGSMILE]

10 hours ago, roselyn2 said:

Can any member tell me what badges are these ?.   Thank you.    Lyn.p

As Jay has said they’re the insignia marking out RAF Apprentice technicians, etc. of the RAF circa 1940s-50s.  They were worn on the upper arms.

Edited 22 November , 2022 by FROGSMILE

[Matlock1418]

10 hours ago, jay dubaya said:

WW2 era RAF Apprentice

24 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:

insignia marking out RAF Apprentice technicians, etc. of the RAF circa 1940s-50s.

Whilst researching a RAF serviceman/AC2 Carpenter Learner in 1921 [on Census] Air Historical Branch (RAF) have suggested to me such a badge would have been worn by an Apprentice in 1918-20s period.

Your thoughts on this please.

M

 

[FROGSMILE]

26 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Whilst researching a RAF serviceman/AC2 Carpenter Learner in 1921 [on Census] Air Historical Branch (RAF) have suggested to me such a badge would have been worn by an Apprentice in 1918-20s period.

Your thoughts on this please.

M

 

I’ve checked reference material, which states that the apprentice scheme began on 17 April 1919.  Subject badge was introduced by Air Ministry Order 500 of 17th April 1919.  Added to that were small chevrons, four different coloured cap bands by Air Ministry Order 204 of 12th April 1923.  Further changes introduced coloured discs behind cap badges and more cap band variations by Air/27 of 29th January 1953.  Throughout that period subject brass badge continued to be worn and so may be seen within a Queen Elizabeth II crown configuration.  The photo of a parade above appears to date to a period in the early to mid 1920s going by the uniform.  There were slight modifications to the dies used over time and the final pattern was made from anodised aluminium.

 

Edited 22 November , 2022 by FROGSMILE

[Matlock1418]

5 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:

I’ve checked reference material, which states that the apprentice scheme began on 17 April 1919.  Subject badge was introduced by Air Ministry Order 500 of 17th April 1919.  Added to that were small chevrons, four different coloured cap bands by Air Ministry Order 204 of 12th April 1923.  Further changes introduced coloured discs behind cap badges and more cap band variations by Air/27 of 29th January 1953.  Throughout that period subject brass badge continued to be worn and so may be seen within a Queen Elizabeth II crown configuration.  The photo of a parade above appears to date to a period in the early to mid 1920s going by the uniform.  There were changes to dies used over time and the final pattern was made from anodised aluminium.

Thanks for your, as usual, comprehensive reply.

M

[FROGSMILE]

2 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Thanks for your, as usual, comprehensive reply.

M

I’m not sure it would’ve helped the OP so I have dug out the detail purely at your request.  

Edited 22 November , 2022 by FROGSMILE

[Matlock1418]

Just now, FROGSMILE said:

I’m not sure it helped the OP so I have dug out the detail purely at your request.  

Appreciated your help - but could perhaps help OP if provenance is known/detail/period is sought.

Any way from me 

M

 

[FROGSMILE]

5 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Appreciated your help - but could perhaps help OP if provenance is known/detail/period is sought.

Any way from me 

M

 

The very earliest pattern seems likely to have been the smooth type lowermost above.  By their appearance I dated the ones posted by the OP as probably 1930s-40s, but it’s impossible to be certain.  No need to reply, this is for OP.

[roselyn2]

Thank you all for your help.     Lyn.