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Lieut David Gordon Armstrong RN 002041


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Hi All,

I am currently researching the service record of my 1st cousin 3 x removed, David Gordon Armstrong, born 24/05/1885 in Bishop Auckland. I have downloaded his service record from TNA but am struggling with some of the handwriting and comments.

It would appear that he had a poor disciplianry record and was court martialled  at least twice and was eventually discharged on 20/02/1918 - the charges being that he had committed "acts to prejudice of good order of Naval Discipline in 1) being in his cabin alone with an Ordinary Signalman the curtains being drawn at the time and 2) giving away whisky in his cabin to the same Ordinary Signalman."

There is also comment of a further incident in July 1918 when he refused to sail on a ship unless the Master allowed him to be in possession of a revolver for which he received a sentence of 40 days hard labour.

I was hoping that someone could assist in interpreting some of the comments on the service record.

ADM-340-3-37.pdf

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36 minutes ago, ewanarm68 said:

I was hoping that someone could assist in interpreting some of the comments on the service record

This is rather a vague and sweeping request. May I suggest that you make the most of what you have and then approach to Forum with specific questions about your transcription.

There are also records for him in ADM 240 which you need to download for completeness  -   https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14636469     and     https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14619925

N.B. Naval officers (including RNR and RNVR) do not have service or official numbers. The number you have quoted in the topic title is but one of the index numbers of his ADM 340 record cards. They identify the cards, not the officer.

Although this officer qualified for the 1914-15 Star, Victory Medal and British War Medal, the RNR medal Roll shows that he never claimed them. Maybe his friendship with the signalman lay behind this but, despite his conviction and discharge, his medals were not forfeited.

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Apologies for being a bit vague. I will continue to try and interpret what I can and then try to be a bit more specific when I get stuck.

Thank you for the links and thank you for the answer to my next question which was going to be if he forfeited his medals?

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Some additional info from the ship's log of the cruiser HMS KING ALFRED  -  http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-WW1-05-HMS_King_Alfred.htm

At Stokes Bay (Solent):-

16 Sep 1915 - pm: Lieutenant David G. Armstrong, R.N.R., joined ship.

At the island of São Vicente, Cape Verde:-

8 Apr 1916 - am: Reprimanded Acting Lieutenant David Gordon Armstrong, R.N.R., for behaving with disrespect towards Fleet Surgeon Michael Joseph Smith, R.N. (Acknowledged by D.G. Armstrong)

27 Apr 1916 - am: CARMANIA hoisted Court Martial Jack ... 4.45 pm: CARMANIA hauled down Court Martial Jack.

30 Apr 1918 - 8.00 am: Lieutenant David G. Armstrong, R.N.R., Discharged to S.S. ORITA for passage home.

RNR Regulations state "Officers will render themselves liable to retirement, removal from the List or forfeiture of Commission, as the case may be, on account of ... offfences against the rules, discipline or character of His Majesty's Service." Their Lordships so decided.

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4 hours ago, horatio2 said:

At Stokes Bay (Solent):-

About five minutes' drive from where I'm sitting now - used to be on my commute to work.

4 hours ago, horatio2 said:

Fleet Surgeon Michael Joseph Smith, R.N.

I must see if I have a picture of him. Not that that's of any assistance re: Lt Armstrong.

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10 hours ago, horatio2 said:

Some additional info from the ship's log of the cruiser HMS KING ALFRED  -  http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-WW1-05-HMS_King_Alfred.htm

At Stokes Bay (Solent):-

16 Sep 1915 - pm: Lieutenant David G. Armstrong, R.N.R., joined ship.

At the island of São Vicente, Cape Verde:-

8 Apr 1916 - am: Reprimanded Acting Lieutenant David Gordon Armstrong, R.N.R., for behaving with disrespect towards Fleet Surgeon Michael Joseph Smith, R.N. (Acknowledged by D.G. Armstrong)

27 Apr 1916 - am: CARMANIA hoisted Court Martial Jack ... 4.45 pm: CARMANIA hauled down Court Martial Jack.

30 Apr 1918 - 8.00 am: Lieutenant David G. Armstrong, R.N.R., Discharged to S.S. ORITA for passage home.

RNR Regulations state "Officers will render themselves liable to retirement, removal from the List or forfeiture of Commission, as the case may be, on account of ... offfences against the rules, discipline or character of His Majesty's Service." Their Lordships so decided.

Thanks again for this. Helps me understand more about his disciplinary record

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