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Various Tags found on the reverse Medal Backing


Kimberley John Lindsay

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Dear All,

No doubt several of the dilligent Great War Forim community would like to show the Maker's Tags, sometimes found on the rev of their well.mounted Medal Groups.

The Germans also adopted similar Tags, being a form of advertiselemt, as the following example shows.

MEMBERS! by all means submit similar ones360148649_RevEvansmountertagEVENS1937.jpg.bdbc8c935b49557574ae8815851cfa2e.jpg1674838714_RevEvansreverse.jpg.396737f1f01fb5f58563984fcaf257c3.jpg1209250577_P1140505-Kopie_small.jpg.0357f274fad0a2835e956b104d40346b.jpg1182889373_EricandFreda1928.jpg.252277b4670a31cb159d2df24a3974f3.jpg2029178952_LinlithgowEvansBarneSanawarSchoolca1939.jpg.6e2646bdec4a7bb601bd025dcc37a08e.jpg805990293_EKIIHanseatenkreuzHindenburgkrrev.jpg.60392171f56538ae540f704d649c2984.jpg1762985558_EKIIHanseatenkreuzHindenburgkr.jpg.dfcdfc9db04bf0bc53952e0a72b77257.jpg - note that the Tag for the Reverend Evans (an erstwhile Company Off, has been misspelt!)

Kindest regards,

Kim,

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Hi Kim,

 

Hope you are well!

I dont have a tailor mounted group with the tailor's ID tag on reverse, but I do have a nice set of miniatures with its original fitted/named box:

Admiral Jellicoe's Secretary 1910 - 1920. Paymaster Rear Admiral Hamnet SHARE.

Best wishes!

Bryan in Canada

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As it turns out I do actually have a full size group mounted with box & tailor's label....

Paymaster Captain John Basil SHETTLE - Secretary to Vice Adm Evan Thomas, HMS Barham, 5th BS at Jutland

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3 hours ago, RNCVR said:

Hi Kim,

 

Hope you are well!

I dont have a tailor mounted group with the tailor's ID tag on reverse, but I do have a nice set of miniatures with its original fitted/named box:

Admiral Jellicoe's Secretary 1910 m- 1920. Paymaster Rear Admiral Hamnet SHARE.

Best wishes!

Bryan in Canada

Love the clasps on the British War Medal miniature!

Are you saying that Admiral Jellicoe's secretary married Rear Admiral Share?

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No aim, Share was Admiral Jellicoe's Secretary. Every Flag Officer in command of a fleet was entitled to a Secretary. 

At one time I had in my collection virtually all of the RN authorized miniature clasps for the War medal.

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Dear Bryan,

Super groups: well collected! The hallmarked cases are extremely nice, enhancing the medal themselves. Paymr.-Captain Shettle's medal group was expertly mounted by Gieves. Do you have his Portrait? This is something I always strive to find!

The following include the By Appointment J. R. GAUNT & Son Ltd., 2, New Burlington Place, Regent Street, W1, hallmarked case (2050309049_MedalsCaptGoydergroupobvcased.JPG.900ecde71c27a4aab31ac4ea6e25aae5.JPG494086211_GoyderPLH2Apr1909LordMintovisitLahore.jpg.4fd462d6dc668d4e8e05239ffb969b21.jpgIMG_20190207_0003.jpg.220fbdbd9cc6ac792801c268baf17906.jpgfor the swing-mounted medals of Capt George Barrett Goyder, IARO and Genl List, with Image (I also have all his Award Parchments), and the mounters Tag for Capt James Logan Muir, IARO, and erstwhile ADC to Sir Harcourt Butler (Gov. of UP and Burma): also with Image.1082897171_RevmedalgroupofJamesLoganMuir.JPG.6e9c400c649daac9ba81444ee1d060c5.JPG

Kindest regards,

Kim.

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Share's full size group & Orders.....

1257105508_ShareframeMar3...JPG.e83c326f888a009cc51b9b1cc7646ca5.JPGThanks Kim, appreciate yr comments.  Yes I have photos of both Share & Shettle.

Share's photo was taken shortly after the war, circa 1920, just prior to him being promoted to Paymaster Rear Admiral. You can see in the photos he is wearing his 1914-15 star but not yet received his War & Victory medals. 

Another thing I love to have with a recipient's medals & photo(s) is his grave.  I have shown a couple shots of it as well.  Share died very shortly after King George VI's Coronation in June 1937, & Share's Coronation medal was neve mounted with his full size medals.

Is is quite possible Share's full size medals have a Gaunt tag on the reverse but as I have them mounted in a frame I dont wish to take them out to have a look.

 

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The photos I have of Shettle were taken when he was Secretary to VAdm Evan Thomas on board HMS Barham, Flagship of 5th BS Grand Fleet.  At that time Shettle was a Fleet Paymaster.

Shettle is standing on right of the photo behind Adm Evan Thomas who is seated. (I have a better & larger shot of this group but its way to large to post)

& again standing in the 2nd photo(Adm Evan Thomas & his staff) on the right.

In the group photo where the group is looking off to the far right,  Shettle is standing in the rear rank. 

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Interesting to note in front of Shettle, to the right of the Flag Captain, is the future King George VI.  A senior Japanese Officer is standing in the front row with his hands in front of his body.

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Shettle's family plot (Eye cemetery) several of his family is buried in the plot including his parents & brother.

Shettle died of brain cancer in 1938, he was still serving, having been recalled for the Munich crisis.

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Interestingly I also have a full size photo of Shettle's parents... no idea when taken but expect sometime in the late 19th C.

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Dear Bryan,

Those were the days!

Your display is difficult to top. Well done, indeed.

Kindest regards,

Kim.

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Thanks Kim, altho I am in the process of selling out my collection, these 2 are keepers for the time being as I really like them both. Over the yrs I had several RN Paymaster groups, only these 2 plus another Paymr RAdm left now.

Hope you are well!

Best wishes! Bryan

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Dear Bryan,

Selling off your Collection? I am trying to figure out how to take mine with me (I turn 78 in July, but am still quite fit)...

Funnily enough I recently acquired the reasonably-priced 15 Trio to Paymaster-Lt H. T. Bryson, RNR.

2054261609_VIENNAAsstPaymasterBryson1916.jpg.3124ed9ccfd3bd6215d216ed5e0bd074.jpgIt transpired that Bryson did one operation aboard a Q-Ship (Vienna), before the fire-eating Captain requested, and got, a faster ship (Barralong). Bryson remained aboard Vienna, which was down-graded to Armed Boarding Steamer

Happily I researched photos of Bryson, thereby making his modest 15 Trio a Keeper Group!

Kindest regards,

Kim.

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Am fairly certain I saw very recently the trio to Paymr Bryson on ebay, or perhaps a dealers site?  Really nice that you have a photo of Bryson.

I dont collect medals anymore & no desire to buy them, but I do still like very much viewing them so I watch a few sites.  Never had an RNR Paymr, all of mine were Victorian/Edwardian to 1WW period.  Altho I still have an RN Paymr trio that has been on a Paymaster's dress uniform for a few yrs.

 photo att'd .... uniform dates post war - 1920's..

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Dear Bryan,

Super uniforms: the Naval Officers must have felt rather special when wearing them!

Attached the rev of Bryson's 15 Star and another picture of him aboard "Vienna", ca. 1915.

Kindest regards,

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Good photo of Paymr Bryson, but I kind of wonder why his name is noted as Jim?

I thought you might like to view an example of a very rare Paymaster in Chief rank seen on 1914-15 star. At that time the most senior rank in the Paymaster branch.

Chapple was the most senior Paymr in Chief in the July 1914 Navy List with seniority of 28 Sep 1908.

Post war he became the first Paymr Rear Admiral in the RN when the Civil branch ranks reverted to Military branch ranks.

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Civil branch Officers group on Royal Yacht in 1904, Chapple on right, rank at the time of Fleet PaymasterChapple RY group  1904.jpg

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