Frank Woodward MM, 1964 West. & Cumb. Yeo, 79004 RFC, 402600 RAF

[Ivor Anderson]

I have been looking at this serviceman. Born 10/5/1887, Bishop Auckland, Cockfield, Durham.

He does not seen to have been issued any BWM or VM? Ancestry MIC:

Edited 28 May , 2022 by Ivor Anderson

[Ivor Anderson]

He was awarded a MM as 79004 with the RFC - 79004 CPL.F.WOODWARD.NO.11.SQ.R.F.C.     These 2 sold online for £2500 on 1st May 2022:

MM in LG 21 August 1917: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30243/supplement/8647     For Battle of Messines?

He seems to have been an armourer/observer & qualified aerial gunner. Discharged with shell shock - SWB no. 10784.

 

Edited 28 May , 2022 by Ivor Anderson

[Ivor Anderson]

MM Index Card The National Archives' reference WO 372/23/186856

[hmsk212]

Hi

 

His BWM and Vic would have been issued by the RAF and therefore not shown on the  RFC (Army ) Mic. Sometimes the issue of the medals is noted on the reverse of the mans Air79 file but in this case they have not been. 

"These 2 sold online for £2500 on 1st May 2022"  Thats quite a big and rapid profit as they were sold on 2nd April 2022 by ADG Auctions for £1080 plus fees.

Steve

Edited 28 May , 2022 by hmsk212

[Ivor Anderson]

2 hours ago, hmsk212 said:

"These 2 sold online for £2500 on 1st May 2022"  Thats quite a big and rapid profit as they were sold on 2nd April 2022 by ADG Auctions for £1080 plus fees.

Thanks Steve. Yes. Highest price, by far, that I've seen for a single MM, despite it being a RFC/RAF award. Someone wanted it badly!

Surprised that his final RAF service no. was on the MIC, but no mention of the BWM & VM.

Edited 28 May , 2022 by Ivor Anderson

[hmsk212]

 

Hi

"Surprised that his final RAF service no. was on the MIC, but no mention of the BWM & VM."

That is normally the way with RFC/RAF servicemen that were awarded the 14 or 14/15 Star. The stars are mentioned because at that time of "Entry into a Theatre of War"  to qualify for the Stars the recipients were serving in the Army. They normally make note of the RAF service number appointment etc but unless the recipient did not serve overseas with the RAF then the War & Vic Medals are usually not noted. There are a few War & Victory Medal Rolls for the RAF.

Steve

Edited 28 May , 2022 by hmsk212

[Matlock1418]

13 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said:

Discharged with shell shock

Pension Index Card at WFA/Fold3 under 402600 = with addit. numbers: 1964, 79004 and 315076 [or 3/5076]

Pension Ledger Index Cards at WFA/Fold3 under 402600 = Discharged 9-12-18, Neurasthenia, 20% disability. Final award 21.6.23, Life

Wife and one child under 16.  Addresses: Fishburn nr. Ferryhill / Fishburn Sedgefield / Bishop Middleham

M

Edited 28 May , 2022 by Matlock1418
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[nils d]

His award will be presumably for aerial work.Would that be on FE2s or Bristol Fighters ?

[nils d]

How can Woodward have a RFC number different to his RAF  service number ? They should always be the same.

Are we possibly looking at two different people with the same name? It's a fairly common name after all.

[hmsk212]

8 hours ago, nils d said:

How can Woodward have a RFC number different to his RAF  service number ? They should always be the same.

Are we possibly looking at two different people with the same name? It's a fairly common name after all.

Hi

This is fairly common and if you go to his service record for the number 79004 all it contains is the printed statement :-

" The above mentioned was Re-Allocated Royal Flying Corps No 402600 in January 1918. For all information concerning him see loose leaf ledger sheet (now known as Air 79) filed under that number"

Steve

Edited 30 May , 2022 by hmsk212