Saddle Post and Tolmans Post locations

[Peter Beckett]

I am researching a soldier from Glengarry, Vic who was in the 8th ALH and according to the War Diaries was at Saddle Post or Tolmans Post.

Can  anyone help me with the location as I don't have any decent maps of Gallipoli, please?  

 

Cheers

Peter

[Jeff Pickerd]

Hi Peter,

I can find no map of the Sazli Beit Dere area that gives the location of either Saddle or Tolmans Posts. The only guess I can make based upon the scant details from within the various unit war diaries would put both somewhere along the defensive line bounded by Destroyer Hill, out to Antill's Lookout in the South, and up along Canterbury Slope to the East.

Without the Glengarry, 8th LH mans name, it is impossible to state which Post he would have been allotted to, as 'A' Sqdn is recorded as taking over Saddle Post on the 15th November, and the 3rd LH Bgde, 'B' & 'C' Sqdn's went to Tolmans Post, also on the 15th. The 3rd LH Regt at Destroyer Hill handed over both Posts to the 3rd LH Bgde, Tolmans Post at 1800 on the 11th, and Saddle Post on the 12th. The 8th LH Regt war diary records that the Saddle Post was taken over from the 3rd LH Regt line (Saddle Post to Antill's Lookout, exclusive) at 0900, 14th Nov. That would seem to indicate that the Saddle Post would have been somewhere between Destroyer Hill and Antill's Lookout, western end of the Canterbury Slope, but that seems a strange place for it to be.

Afraid that is the best I can do, hope someone else maybe able to give a more definite location.

Jeff

[Peter Beckett]

Hi Jeff,

He was in the 10th Reinforcements that arrived on the 8th December 1915 ( I think as I am still trying to make sense of his record) On further checking he joined the Anzac Advance Base on Mudros on the 4th December 1915 and the next entry has him at the (52nd )Lowland Casualty Clearing Station at Mudros on the 13th December 1915 so if he made it to Anzac and either Post he was only there for a few days. His records are not clear on his medical record and he was transferred to the Signal Corps for the rest of the War.

He was Stirling George Crowe 1256

Peter

[Jeff Pickerd]

Peter,

The case as to whether Stirling Crowe did indeed land at Gallipoli has become even more complicated, it is most probable that he never left Mudros, but there is one very slight possibility that he did land on the 8th December.

The 8th LH Regt War diary for the 8th December does record that Lieut L. A. W. MacPherson, 10th Reinforcements joined the 8th, with one other rank. As to who that other rank was has eluded me so far.

A search of the service records of all 53 men who embarked with 10th Reinforcements has given no clue as to which man was the other rank who arrived with Lieut MacPherson.

It has however given the answer to the circumstances of the movement of the 10th Reinforcements, and that the vast majority of men went into ‘B’ Sqdn, 8th LH Regt on the 18th December 1915 at the Anzac Advanced Base on Mudros. The unit embarked from Ghezireh, Egypt, on board the “Helouan” 1/12/15, disembarking at Mudros on the 4/12/15. It also transpires that all 53 men were taken on strength of the 10th Reinforcements at Melbourne on the 8/9/15 prior to embarking on board the HMAT “Ballarat” on the 9/9/15.

This brings me back to the case of Trooper Crowe, his service record, as is the case with all of the other men, gives no indication of him landing at Anzac, Gallipoli. So there is the possibility that he might have been Lieut MacPherson’s other rank, but that also applies all the other 52 men. It is rather frustrating trying to get the mans name for my records as well.

Lieut MacPherson was a member of the last 8th LH Regt party to leave Anzac Cove on the night of 20th December after being there for 12 days.

Jeff

[Peter Beckett]

Jeff,

I think we can cross him off as the one soldier who was at Tolmans Post. I have extracted this info from his records

(He joined the Anzac Advance Base on Mudros on the 4^th December 1915 from Alexandria. On the 13^th December 1915 he was admitted to the 52^nd Casualty Clearing Station (1^st Lowland) at Mudros and discharged to the Anzac Advance Base at Mudros on the 3^rd January 1916)

 

Peter

 

[Peter Beckett]

Hi Jeff,

I found this letter in John Lalor's record 1282 (page 8) and describes who went ashore at Gallipoli

Peter

[Jeff Pickerd]

Many thanks Peter, well done.

Found him, Tpr Joseph Francis Maher, No. 1291, ‘B’ Sqdn. Occupation Groom.

Jeff

[Peter Beckett]

Hi Jeff,

Glad to help although it was a bit of a diversion from Stirling Crowe

Peter

PS Still in the Military Historical Society of Australia?

[Jeff Pickerd]

Hi Peter,

Have not been a member for over twelve years, work and other matters required more attention.

Jeff

[Guest]

Mates,

Yes I had the same on record, while I have not gone through this reinf to any great details 

ALFORD    Richard Henry    1251    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos A Sqn at Murdos 12-15 (G) disch 28-9-17 MU (NZ IR TF 2 months) 
BARTROP    Henry James Thomas    1291    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn at Murdos 12-15 (G) shown in Simpson to RHQ 3-17 N/R disch 18-4-17 MU asthma (A Troop BSqn/29 LH CMF 2 years) 
BATTY    Joseph Edward    1252    Pte    8 LHR    10R to B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to UK leave later WWII
BECK    Rupert Cyril Arnold    1258    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Sig 12-16 to T/Sig/Cpl 11-17 revert L/Cpl 12-17 to Sig/Cpl C Sqn? 8-18 MID - for his work during operaions between Sept to Nov 1918 (CMF 18 months)
BODMAN    Henry Crawford    1253    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) to D Sqn 1-16 to 12Bty/4 FAB 3-16 WIA 8-8-8 R/buttock shrapnel around Bayonvillers at Amiens F&B later WWII
CAMPBELL    Sydney Archibald    1260    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Bdr 47Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to Sgt 7-16 WIA 4-6-17 multiple shrapnel reported hit by shell near the Red lodge near Ploegsteert at Messines & MID - for his actions at Messines 4-6-17 F&B died at local dressing station buried Berks Cemetery Extension (Rosenberg Plateau Plots) Ploegsteert Belgium
CARBARNS    Leslie    1257    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to L/Cpl 3-16 to Cpl 10-16 to L/Sgt 5-19 to UK leave
CAUGHEY    Angus    1255    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Sig C Sqn 2-17 to RHQ 10-17 died malaria at 26 BSH buried Ismailia War Memorial Cemetery Egypt
CHARVILLE    Benjamin    1278A    Pte    8 LHR    10R (1270) tos B Sqn at Murdos 12-15 (G) to 3 LHTR 3-16 to HQ AASC Anzac MD 6-16 rtn BSqn/8 LHR 1-17 WIA 19-4-17 R/hand shot reported 6 killed & 68 wounded in fighting at Atawine Redoubt at 2nd Gaza rtn 7-17 to hosp (dysentry) 12-17 rtn 4-18 to T/Sad/Sgt (from Croucher) 5-18 revert Saddler 8-18 to hosp (malaria) 10-18 RTA MU pleurisy
CLOVER    John Frederick    1035    Pte    8 LHR    7R tos A Sqn 12-15 to trade test 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 12-16 to RHQ 1-17 att 11 LHR 5-18 to L/Cpl 9-18 to UK leave Ex 10R/8 LHR (1055) DNE later WWII AKA Glover
CROUGH    Joseph    1259    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) T/att 3 LH Bde HQ 7-18 (aboriginal) brother Kenneth 58Bn uncle Walter 3 MG Bn 
CROWE    Stirling George    1256    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Spr 1 LH Sig Sqn 4-17 to B Troop Imperial MD Sig Sqn 5-17 to (AAS) Aust Airline sect DMC HQ 9-17 to Pals LofC Sig Co 1-18 to 2 LH Sig Sqn 7-18 
DAVID    Benjamin    1263    Pte    8 LHR    10R to B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Dvr HQ/12 FAB 4-16 to 47Bty 12-16 to 1st Anzac Corps Troops Sup Colm 10-17 to 6 MTCo 3-18 att T/Sgt/cook Aust Corps HQ 5-18 F&B AKA Benjamin Daniel David
DAVIS    Mark Ernest    1281    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Cpl 1-16 to L/Sgt 12-16 to T/Sgt 4-17 to Sgt 8-17 later WWII 
DEDRICK    William John    1262    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Gnr 48Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to Bdr 24 FAB 6-16 to Sgt 42Bty/11 FAB 1-17 WIA 12-6-17 minor at Messines WIA 4-10-17 R/leg shrapnel reported Lt Thompson and two men wounded in fighting at Broodseinde F&B AKA William James Dedrick (38 Fort Co AE CMF 3 years)
DONALD    James McKay    1261    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos Dvr 12Co AASC 3 LH Bde Trn 1-16 to 1 LH Sig Sqn 3-16 to B Field Troop 1 LH FSE 4-16 
ELLIS    Frederick Mortimer    1265    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) disch 7-3-18 MU AKA Frank Ellis (Boer War 2 ACH (552) (BSqn CMF 7 months)
EVERSHED    David Victor    1264    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Gnr HQ/12 FAB 4-16 to Spr Sig sect 6-17 to Aust Corps Sig Co 3-18 F&B to NME UK married Ivy Bashford at East Preston UK 15-7-19 AKA Douglas Victor Evershed (British ASqn/The Sussex Yeomanry 8 months)
FISCALINI    Frank    1266    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos (B Sqn?) at Murdos 12-15 (G) T/att trade test 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 12-16 WIA 31-1-17 abdoman accident kicked by horse WIA 21-6-17 back accident reason not stated att scouts 3 LH Bde HQ to Sgt 38Co (998Co) AASC Anzac MD HQ later WWII 5 MTCo AKA Francis Frederick Fiscalini
FROST    Thomas Dunn    1267    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos B Sqn? at Murdos 12-15 (G) to B Sqn 3-18
GAYLOR    Garnet Victor    1269    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn at Murdos 12-15 (G) to Cpl 1-16 to hosp (rheum & cardiac) 3-16 RTA MU cardiac disch 23-8-16 relist 26R (3261) to Dtls camp 4-17 to 3 LHTR 4-17 tos Cpl B Sqn? 5-17 to hosp 10-17 rtn B Sqn (Lt Jenner's Troop) 1-18 WIA 3-5-18 head shot reported in defence around Kh el Fokan at Es Salt & reported MIA shot with Maj Priestley in rescue at Es Salt & PoW 4-5-18 body left after 3 LHFA retied possibly died at 3 LHFA in Turkish hands & buried by Turks at Es Salt cemetery as grave found & later reburied Jerusalem War Cemetery Palestine (shown in service file Sth African Constabulary possibly after Boer war ended N/R?) AKA Garnet Victor Stanhope Gaylor brother Tasman 7 LHR
GOODWIN    Herbert Ronald    1268    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos possibly A Sqn? at Mudros 12-15 (G) to 3 LHTR 3-16 to Gnr 12 BAC 4-16 to Dvr 4 DAC (1268a) 5-16 to Gnr 38Bty/10 FAB 2-17 WIA 16-10-17 L/shoulder & arm shrapnel in the mud at Passchendaele rtn 3-18 F&B AKA Herbert Roland Goodwin
HARRIS    Archibald    1274    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Mudros (G) to 3 LHTR 3-16 to 11Co/3Bn ICC 7-16 WIA 19-4-17 R/thigh shot at 2nd Gaza rtn 6-17 to Cooking school 8-17 rtn 9-17 att 3Bn HQ 11-17 rtn 12-17 to Dvr 15 LHR 7-18 to hosp (malaria) 9-18 RTA MU DAH son Archibald 8 LHR
HARRIS    Archibald Campbell    1273    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) to 11Co/3Bn ICC 7-16 MM - for his actions at Khuweilfe 6-11-17 to ACFA to 5 LHFA 7-18 att 15 LHR 8-18 later WWII father Archibald 8 LHR
HASSETT    John    1272    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to 2 BAC 2-16 to Dvr 2 Sect/1 DAC 5-16 F&B brother Thomas 2 FAB
HILL    Thomas Rowland    1271    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) att Fantese repair shop 1 LH FSE 10-16 to Dvr 1 LH FSE 1-17 T/att 22 Mtd Bde 4-17 (CMF 1 year)
HOLLAND    William Bert    1276    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Gnr 47Bty/12 FAB 4-16 disch 11-10-16 MU defective vision AKA William Bert Hollard
HOLMES    George Ernest    1254    Pte    8 LHR    10R to B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Gnr 48Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 45Bty/11 FAB 1-17 to 112Bty/12 FAB 9-17 to 47Bty/12 FAB 3-18 WIA 15-8-18 gas "W" reported 3 officers and 8 men gassed during night when shelled near Proyart F&B to 2/Cpl AIF HQ UK 6-19 married May Loveland at Warminster UK 22-3-19 
HUMBY    Frederick Henry    1275    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to AIF depots UK 8-16 rtn B Sqn 4-17 
JOSE    Joseph    1045    Pte    8 LHR    7R tos A Sqn 12-15 T/att Dvr 3 LH Bde HQ 9-17 WIA 1-12-17 R/Leg shot reported 7 killed and 37 wounded during fighting at El Burj RTA wounded disch 3-9-18 Ex 10R/8 LHR DNE
JURY    Frederick William    1278    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Dvr 12 BAC 4-16 to 4 DAC 5-16 att 12 Bde HQ 4-18 to A/Bdr 8-18 revert 1-19 F&B
KAY    Archibald James    1279    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to L/Cpl 1-16 disch 6-9-16 MU arthritis (NZMR TF 1 year later WWII )
LALOR    John    1282    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) to 12 BAC 3-16 to Fitter 4 DAC 5-16 F&B disch 30-4-18 MU facial paralysis
LEARY    John Henry    1283    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos 1-16 to 3 LHTR 4-16 RTA MU sunstroke reemb 16R/13 LHR (2209) to 13 LH Dtls 3-17 to 7Bn 8-17 to 4 ABGROC 8-18 F&B later WWII
LUDLOW    Phillip Jesse     1280    Pte    8 LHR    10R remain Egypt disch 16-5-16 MU R/eye (ASqn/20 LH CMF 3 years) 
MABEY    John    1286    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos possibly A Sqn? 12-15 at Mudros 12-15 (G) WIA 23-12-16 neck & L/shoulder shot at Magdhaba RTA wounded disch 30-5-17 AKA John Lawrence Mabey or Maby (1206)
MacPHERSON    Lachlan Alfred William        Lt    8 LHR      10R tos B Sqn B Troop? 12-15 (G) att school of Instruction (vickers&maxim MG course) Zeitoun 4-16 shown T/att Bde Transport Officer 3 LH Bde HQ 11-16 att school of Instruction (unknown (cavalry) course) Zeitoun 2-17 rtn 3-17 WIA 19-4-17 R/shoulder shot at 2nd Gaza rtn 6-17 att school of Instruction (Topo course) Zeitoun 8-17 to Scout/Intell officer RHQ 10-17 prom Capt (from sproat) 11-17 MC - for his actions at El Burj 30-11-17 to OC ASqn/3 LHTR 1-18 rtn to A/Adjt RHQ 4-18 rtn 6-18 att Staff Capt Training 3 LH Bde HQ 6-18 prom Maj OC A Sqn 9-18 DSO & MID - for his work at Tiberias 26-9-18 & Sasa 29-9-18 att Staff 3 LH Bde 5-19 Ex LH depot prom 2/Lt 1-6-15 
MAHER    Joseph Francis    1292    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos batman to Lt MacPherson B Sqn B Troop 12-15 (G) to RHQ 3-17 rtn B Sqn 1-18 att band 3 LH Bde DMC Rest Camp 5-18 rtn 9-18 att band 3 LH Bde 11-18
MAYNARD    Hugh McLean    1294    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn C Troop at Mudros 12-15 (G) to L/Cpl 1-16 to Cpl (from gaynor) 6-16 WIA 1-12-17 L/arm shot reported 7 killed and 37 wounded during fighting at El Burj rtn to Sgt (from talbot) 1-18 to hosp (dysentry) 5-18 rtn 7-18 
MAYNES    Matthew    1050    Pte    8 LHR    7R tos A Sqn 12-15 shown WIA 3-12-15 minor foot wound at Gallipoli in Simpson N/R? see brother George 13 LHR WIA 3-12-15 frost bite feet (G) to L/Cpl Bde MP 3 LH Bde HQ 10-16 to T/Cpl AProvC MMP 12-16 att Aust MD HQ 8-17 rtn 10-17 rtn L/Cpl A Sqn 10-18 to Cpl 6-19 Ex 10R/14Bn (3061) to 9R/04 LHR DNE AKA Matthew John Maynes brother George 13 LHR
McGRAW    Arthur Richard    1289    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos 12-15 to Dvr 47Bty/12 FAB 4-16 F&B
McINNESS    Archibald Donald    1290    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos 12-15 to Gnr 45Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to Dvr 4 DAC 5-16 to 38Bty/10 FAB 2-17 WIA 21-10-18 L/thigh near Le Cateau F&B AKA McInnes
McKELL    John William    2010    Pte    8 LHR    9R tos A Sqn? 12-15 Ex 10R/04 LHR (1334) DNE AKA alais William John Sweeney
McNAMEE    John Thomas    1288    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos 12-15 to Gnr 48Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 24 FAB 6-16 to Dvr 43Bty/11 FAB 1-17 WIA 12-6-17 R/thigh shrapnel at Messines F&B disch 27-7-18 (CMF 3 years)
McWATERS    Frank Eason    1284    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn C Troop 12-15 at Murdos (G) brother Norman 11 FA KIA
MILLER    John William    2028    Pte    8 LHR    9R Tos 12-15 to hosp (septic ankle reason not stated) 4-16 rtn 5-16 to 3 LHTR 6-16 tos 14Co/3Bn 9-16 to 4Co/1Bn ICC 1-17 to hosp (rheum) 2-17 RTA MU lumbago & rheum disch 20-10-17 Ex 10R/04 LHR DNE AKA John Wilson Miller
MONTEITH    Hugh Stanley    1293    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn on Murdos 12-15 (G) to hosp (dysentry) 9-16 to 3 LHTR 12-16 qual Grenadier 1-17 rtn B Sqn 3-17 WIA 17-4-17 back & L/side shown GSW near Tel el Jemmie reported possibly in air attack at Shellal rtn 5-17 to Dvr 9-17 revert 11-17 to Dvr 4-18 att 11 LHR 5-18 WIA 4-5-18 neck & hand shot reported during withdrawal from Black Hill at Es Salt rtn B Sqn 5-18 to UK leave 6-19 (shown band Scottish Regt possibly 51 IR Victorian Scottish CMF) 
MOODY    John    1287    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos C Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) att trade test 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 11-16 rtn 12-16 disemb Durban and Capetown ill disch 23-1-18 MU mental AKA John Downing Moody
MORRISSEY    John Patrick    1285    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) att ADS 3-19 att Luxor Relief force 3-19 rtn 4-19
OWEN    Hilton John Berry    1295    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to saddler RHQ 1-17 to C Sqn 5-17 to 3 LH Bde HQ 7-19 (CMF 3 years) 
POULTER    John    1296    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn at Murdos 12-15 (G) to L/Cpl 4-17 qual hotchkiss MG 7-17 WIA 2-11-17 R/thigh shot reported suporting the 7 Mtd Bde at Khuweilfe rtn 1-18 to Cpl 8-18 to T/Sgt 8-18 to hosp (malaria) 9-18 rtn 11-18 to T/SQMS B Sqn 12-18 revert to L/Sgt 5-19 to T/SQMS 5-19 
RODERICK    Thomas    1297    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn at Murdos 12-15 (G) to scouts 3 LH Bde HQ 8-17 (Boer War shown Steinaecker Horse but did serve with Sth African Constabulary (1737) and York and Lancashire Regt during Natal Rebellion 1906)
SAYERS    William Thomas    1299    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) to Dvr RHQ 6-18
SHERWILL    William Culph    1300    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 at Murdos (G) recom MM awarded MID & Medaille Militaire (F) - for his actions at Khuweilfeh 2-11-17 to L/Cpl 11-17 Ex 3R/13 LHR (972) DNE (Pte 8 LH 25-5-11 to MG sect/16 LH (154) CMF 2 years)
SINN    Charles Edward    1301    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos RHQ? at Murdos 12-15 (G) to 1 LH Sig Sqn 4-17 to (ACS) Aust Cable Sect 11-17 to 2 LH Sig Sqn 9-18 att 8 MVS 11-18 rtn 12-18 to AIF HQ 2-19 later WWII Sgt VDC
SMITH    Francis Walter John    1298    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos possibly MG Sect? at Mudros 12-15 (G) to 3 LH MGS 7-16 to 4 LH MGS 12-17 WIA 14-7-18 R/thigh bomb reported 6 wounded when bombed in air attack when A & B sect's moved with 11 LHR to support 1 LH Bde in German attack at Abu Tellul rtn 10-18 to UK leave 5-19 later WWII Cpl Railway Constr Co RAE
TAIT    Albert Norman    1302    Pte    8 LHR    10R Tos (B Sqn?) 12-15 at Murdos (G) att scouts 3 LH Bde HQ?
TURNBALL    Arthur John    1277    Pte    8 LHR    10R tos B Sqn 12-15 (G) to L/Cpl 4-17 to 115Co Rlwy Constr RE 8-17 to T/Cpl 2-18 MID - for his work on railway rtn L/Cpl 8 LHR 7-18 AKA Turnbull
 

Cheers

S.B

[Jeff Pickerd]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the confirmation of Tpr Maher being Lieut MAC Pherson’s Batman, I should have picked up on that earlier.

Per chance, do you have any thoughts on the actual location of Saddle & Tolmans Posts along the Cheshire Slop front line?

Jeff

[Guest]

Mate,

Sorry no, while I've heard of Tolmans, I've not heard of Saddle.

I have no maps that show both?

S.B

[Peter Beckett]

I did a search of CEW Bean's Anzac books, Vol I -1st Phase, Vol I- Medical Services Gallipoli and Vol II - 1915  (I have them in PDF format) for Tolmans, Saddle and post and nothing that was relevant came up  

Peter

[aconnolly]

No ref to either post in Waite's NZ o/h or Pugsley"Gallipoli, the NZ Story".  

But the Otago Mounted Rifles did train in NZ on a  Saddle Hill - cannot see ref in the recent OMR history to Saddle Post,  but have not looked at war diary

Andrew

Edited 5 March , 2022 by aconnolly
added details of OMR

[Rockturner]

Peter,

Just working through some old digital research and discovered a file of Gallipoli place names which I copied in the UK several years ago.

Tolman's Post is located at the West End of Rhododendron Spur. There is no mention of Saddle Post.

Ref is PRO WO 157 - 684 Appx OC 14.

Good luck with your research.

[Peter Beckett]

Hi Rt,

That's interesting as in CEW Beans Vol II -1915 on page 877, he has the 8th Light Horse and others at Rhododendron with 38 in the party and last withdrawal time at 2:15am

Peter

[Rockturner]

Peter,

It might be worth the effort to look up Brudenell White's evacuation plans for Anzac.

I'm fairly sure there is a copy at the AWM, or perhaps one of our members has a copy.

R.

[Jeff Pickerd]

A search of the 3rd LH Bde and 8th LH Regt war diaries do have mention of both Saddle and Tolmans Posts, but neither give an substantive indication as to their exact location. The 3rd LH Bde war diary for December 1915, at pages No. 24 & 25 does mention 'Saddle Post'  as the 'Brigade Starting Point', Appendix A. 22 & 23. Those are the last mention of either post in the diary.

From the letters, diaries and manuscripts of officers and men of the brigade and regiments there has also been no description as to the posts locations, bar one, and that being from the "Sketches at Gallipoli, 1915 Leslie Hore" (Captain Leslie Fraser Standish Hore, "A" Sqdn, 8th LH Regt). Although this sketch was draw in June 1915, from observation from Walker's Ridge, Captain Hore added the place names obviously after December 1915. He has Saddle Post & Tolmans Post between Destroyer Hill and Antill's Lookout along the Western line of Rhododendron Ridge ( Canterbury Slope). 

[Jeff Pickerd]

Based upon Captain Hore's Sketch, the only map of the sector that I can find that seems to give an indication of the location of Saddle Post and Tolmans Post, and at a guess would be the following.

 

Edited 11 March , 2022 by Jeff Pickerd
To replace wrong map.