M Hughes Games Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Hi, back in 2007 Bryn Hammond was trying to find out information relating to the Private Papers of WSD Lockwood about a man he (Lockwood) called "Scanes". It was actually my great Uncle Claude Hughes-Games as others on the forum suggested. I am trying to find out how to access the papers in the IWM in order to read about my great Uncle who never talked about his experiences in the Great War but was awarded the MC twice. None of us in the family know anything about his military career and these papers are probably the only way we will ever find out. The IWM is impenetrable! any advice would be most gratefully received. I wonder if Bryn Hammond is still in the Forum? I would be extremely interested in any information he might be able to pass on about my Great Uncle. Thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Previous thread - Bryn hasn't been on for a while but, once you get a couple of posts, you can try and send him a personal message and he'll hopefully get an email notification. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 6 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said: Previous thread - Bryn hasn't been on for a while but, once you get a couple of posts, you can try and send him a personal message and he'll hopefully get an email notification. Craig Thank you very much for this. I will watch for any other posts. Best wishes, Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 14 January , 2022 Admin Share Posted 14 January , 2022 @Bryn_Hammond is active on Twitter, so is still around. Hopefully, my tag will alert him to your post. Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 9 minutes ago, Michelle Young said: @Bryn_Hammond is active on Twitter, so is still around. Hopefully, my tag will alert him to your post. Michelle Thank you very much. It would mean a great deal to us to find out more about our great Uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 14 January , 2022 Admin Share Posted 14 January , 2022 I remember a Dr Hughes-Games at the Bristol Royal Infirmary. Any relation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Hi Michelle, yes that was my father- Claude was his Uncle. Father was an excellent doctor still remembered by many in Bristol, he died some years ago. Thank you for your contact. Very best wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, M Hughes Games said: Claude Hughes-Games MIC as Claude M[itchell] Hughes Games https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D2281108 Britsh War Medal and Victory Medal as first landed in theatre May 1916 - Address given as 44 Downs Park East, Bristol Some other private life details on IWM's Lives of the First World War Claud Mitchell Hughes-Games https://livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk/lifestory/1293185 London Gazette - commissioned 2nd Lt: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29064/supplement/1414 6th Battalion, The Gloucestershire Regiment; Cadet Corporal Claud Mitchell Hughes-Games, from the Clifton College Contingent, Junior Division, Officers Training Corps, to be Second Lieutenant. Dated 11th February, 1915. Promotion to Lt: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29527/supplement/3421 Gloucester Regt. ... The undermentioned 2nd Lieuts. to be temp. Lieuts.: — ... Claud M. Hughes-Games. Award of Military Cross with citation: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30135/supplement/5992 His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to confer the Military Cross on the undermentioned Officers and Warrant Officers in recognition of their gallantry and devotion to duty in the Field :— ... 2nd Lt. (temp. Lt.) Claud Mitchell Hughes-Games, Glouc. R. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He displayed great coolness and initiative when in command of a daylight patrol, obtaining valuable information. He has at all times displayed great gallantry under fire. Promotion as Acting Capt: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30148/supplement/6264 2nd Lt. (acting Capt.) C. M. Hughes-Games to be Lt. (acting Capt.), with precedence as from 1st June 1916. 24th June1917. Award of Bar to Military Cross: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30507/supplement/1601 Awarded a Bar to the Military Cross ... Lt. (T./Capt.) Claud Mitchell Hughes-Games, M.C., Glouc. R. (M.C. gazetted 18th June, 1917.) Some more LG entries https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30772/supplement/7703 Gloucestershire Regt.—Lt. (actg. Capt.) C. M. Hughes-Games relinquishes the actg. rank of Capt, on alteration in posting. 14th Apr. 1918 Citation for Bar to MC: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30780/supplement/7892 Lt. (T./Capt.) Claud Mitchell HughesiGames, M.C., Glouc. R. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. Whilst in command of the support company of the battalion he displayed wonderful energy and determination in checking the enemy advance, which had broken into our front line. He formed a block and organised its defence with machine guns until badly wounded by a sniper. His example of courageous coolness was responsible for holding up the hostile advance, and gave his battalion time to reorganise and take up a new defensive position. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31033/supplement/14032 Glouc. R. 8th Bn.— Lt. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C. (6th Bn., T.F.), to be actg. Capt. while comdg. a Co. 2 Sept. 1918. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31686/supplement/15560 Glouc. R. Lt. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C., relinquishes the actg. rank of Capt. on ceasing to comd. a Co., 8th Bn. 15 Sept. 1919. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32099/supplement/10372 6th Bn., Gloucester Regt. — Lt. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C., to be Capt. 27th Oct. 1920. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32469/supplement/7627 6th Bn., Gloster R. — Capt. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C., is secd, for service with Wellington. Coll. Cont., Jun. Div., O.T.C. 28th Sept, 1921 M Edited 14 January , 2022 by Matlock1418 LG addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 14 January , 2022 Admin Share Posted 14 January , 2022 I’ve dropped Bryn a message on Twitter. Hopefully , he will drop in soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 By the way, I believe you are interested in books about the Great War. Have you read "The unreturning army" by Huntly Gordon? A great friend bought a very old sunbeam motorcycle from the authors son (ex tank regiment) and he led me to this extraordinary book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 39 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: MIC as Claude M[itchell] Hughes Games https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D2281108 Britsh War Medal and Victory Medal as first landed in theatre May 1916 - Address given as 44 Downs Park East, Bristol Some other private life details on IWM's Lives of the First World War Claud Mitchell Hughes-Games https://livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk/lifestory/1293185 London Gazette - commissioned 2nd Lt: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29064/supplement/1414 6th Battalion, The Gloucestershire Regiment; Cadet Corporal Claud Mitchell Hughes-Games, from the Clifton College Contingent, Junior Division, Officers Training Corps, to be Second Lieutenant. Dated 11th February, 1915. Promotion to Lt: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29527/supplement/3421 Gloucester Regt. ... The undermentioned 2nd Lieuts. to be temp. Lieuts.: — ... Claud M. Hughes-Games. Award of Military Cross with citation: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30135/supplement/5992 His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to confer the Military Cross on the undermentioned Officers and Warrant Officers in recognition of their gallantry and devotion to duty in the Field :— ... 2nd Lt. (temp. Lt.) Claud Mitchell Hughes-Games, Glouc. R. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He displayed great coolness and initiative when in command of a daylight patrol, obtaining valuable information. He has at all times displayed great gallantry under fire. Promotion as Acting Capt: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30148/supplement/6264 2nd Lt. (acting Capt.) C. M. Hughes-Games to be Lt. (acting Capt.), with precedence as from 1st June 1916. 24th June1917. Award of Bar to Military Cross: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30507/supplement/1601 Awarded a Bar to the Military Cross ... Lt. (T./Capt.) Claud Mitchell Hughes-Games, M.C., Glouc. R. (M.C. gazetted 18th June, 1917.) Some more LG entries https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30772/supplement/7703 Gloucestershire Regt.—Lt. (actg. Capt.) C. M. Hughes-Games relinquishes the actg. rank of Capt, on alteration in posting. 14th Apr. 1918 Citation for Bar to MC: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30780/supplement/7892 Lt. (T./Capt.) Claud Mitchell HughesiGames, M.C., Glouc. R. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. Whilst in command of the support company of the battalion he displayed wonderful energy and determination in checking the enemy advance, which had broken into our front line. He formed a block and organised its defence with machine guns until badly wounded by a sniper. His example of courageous coolness was responsible for holding up the hostile advance, and gave his battalion time to reorganise and take up a new defensive position. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31033/supplement/14032 Glouc. R. 8th Bn.— Lt. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C. (6th Bn., T.F.), to be actg. Capt. while comdg. a Co. 2 Sept. 1918. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31686/supplement/15560 Glouc. R. Lt. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C., relinquishes the actg. rank of Capt. on ceasing to comd. a Co., 8th Bn. 15 Sept. 1919. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32099/supplement/10372 6th Bn., Gloucester Regt.— Lt. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C., to be Capt. 27th Oct. 1920. M This is wonderful information. I did know about the MC citations but this is hugely helpful. Thank you very much for this research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 A few more LG https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33518/page/4768 GENERAL LIST. OFFICERS TRAINING CORPS. Capt. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C., from 6th Bn. Gloster R., to be Capt. with seniority 27th Oct. 1920, for duty with the Wellington Coll. Contgt., Jun. Div., and is affiliated to .6th Bn. Gloster R. 20th July 1929. Capt. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C., to be Maj. 20th July 1929. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33797/page/878 GENERAL LIST. OFFICERS TRAINING CORPS. Contingents of the Junior Division.— The undermentioned receive pay & allces. of a Capt. 1st Dec. 1931 :— ... Wellington Coll.— Maj. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33814/page/2217 GENERAL LIST ... OFFICERS TRAINING CORPS ... Wellington Coll. Contgt., Jun. Div.— Maj. C. M. Hughes-Games, M.C., resigns his commn. and retains his rank, with permission to wear the prescribed uniform. 2nd Apr. 1932. Hopefully I haven't missed [m]any! M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Amazing! He was a teacher at wellington school so this makes perfect sense. I wonder where his medals went- sadly no longer with us in the family. Thank you once more for this superb information. I’m going to try to read the notes in the IWM but it’s very hard to work out how to get access. I think a visit will be best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 (edited) Hughes-Games is not the most frequently encountered of surnames. Couldn't help but notice when looking in the LG that there are quite a few entries for a Joshua Bower Hughes-Games = wondering if related? Edit: Service Papers at TNA And similarly an Arthur T Hughes-Games = ?? Edit: Seems only part of his full name And Guy Stephen Cyprian Hughes-Games = ??? Edit: Service Papers at TNA You may perhaps care to also fish them out from this search at the LG https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?text=hughes+games&categorycode-all=all¬icetypes=&location-postcode-1=&location-distance-1=1&location-local-authority-1=&numberOfLocationSearches=1&start-publish-date=01%2F04%2F1912&end-publish-date=31%2F12%2F1932&edition=&london-issue=&edinburgh-issue=&belfast-issue=&sort-by=oldest-date&results-page-size=100&results-page=1 If not of interest, then I am sorry to have mentioned. M Edited 14 January , 2022 by Matlock1418 edit & strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 (edited) Just had a thought regarding Claud[e] Mitchell Hughes-Games As he served after the war it seems to me that it is unlikely you will find his service papers at TNA. However, I think they may well still be kept by the MoD [but perhaps currently en-route to TNA!]. You should be able to obtain by application to the MoD https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records - costs money [and a long wait I suspect]. I think it is a bit of a lottery as to exactly what they may hold - perhaps something of interest, perhaps lots of dry admin, perhaps very little as 'weeded' to death. You pay your money and take your chance! M Edited 14 January , 2022 by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Assuming I've got this right for the 6th Bn., Gloucestershire Regiment - here are some of the War Diaries at TNA [usually free to download once registered for free] https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ps=60&_srt=3&_q="6+Battalion"+"Gloucestershire+Regiment"+"WO+95" As an officer with MC & Bar CMH-G would seem quite likely to get a mention or few. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 15 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 15 January , 2022 12 hours ago, Matlock1418 said: Hughes-Games is not the most frequently encountered of surnames. Couldn't help but notice when looking in the LG that there are quite a few entries for a Joshua Bower Hughes-Games = wondering if related? Edit: Service Papers at TNA And similarly an Arthur T Hughes-Games = ?? Edit: Seems only part of his full name And Guy Stephen Cyprian Hughes-Games = ??? Edit: Service Papers at TNA You may perhaps care to also fish them out from this search at the LG https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?text=hughes+games&categorycode-all=all¬icetypes=&location-postcode-1=&location-distance-1=1&location-local-authority-1=&numberOfLocationSearches=1&start-publish-date=01%2F04%2F1912&end-publish-date=31%2F12%2F1932&edition=&london-issue=&edinburgh-issue=&belfast-issue=&sort-by=oldest-date&results-page-size=100&results-page=1 If not of interest, then I am sorry to have mentioned. M thank you very much for all these leads. Guy Stephen Hughes-Games was Claudes brother and my grandfather. We cannot find out anything about Guys service record except he seems to have been in the RNR directly he left school, I think he might have been at Gallipoli but something happened and he suffered from chronic depression for the rest of his life. difficult for him when his brother had such a gallant war. All the information you have Kindly passed on is of great interest. thank you very much once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 15 January , 2022 Share Posted 15 January , 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, M Hughes Games said: Guy Stephen Hughes-Games was Claudes brother and my grandfather. We cannot find out anything about Guys service record except he seems to have been in the RNR directly he left school, I think he might have been at Gallipoli but something happened and he suffered from chronic depression for the rest of his life. difficult for him when his brother had such a gallant war. Guy Stephen Cyprian Hughes-Games - records at the National Archives - currently free to download after free registration. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Guy+Stephen+Cyprian+Hughes-Games&_sd=&_ed=&_hb= M Edit: Pension index card at WFA/Fold3 Edited 15 January , 2022 by Matlock1418 pension index card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 15 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 15 January , 2022 this is fantastic! this is already more then we ever knew about grandpa Hughes-Games. I have sent it to my ex wife (a very good Doctor) to try to see if she can decipher the nature of the disability. I am very grateful to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 15 January , 2022 Share Posted 15 January , 2022 11 minutes ago, M Hughes Games said: nature of the disability Neurasthenia - more like nervous exhaustion than 'shell-shock' Officers seemingly rather more often got it, whilst other ranks more often got the other!! M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedCoat Posted 15 January , 2022 Share Posted 15 January , 2022 Hope these are of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedCoat Posted 15 January , 2022 Share Posted 15 January , 2022 One more:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedCoat Posted 15 January , 2022 Share Posted 15 January , 2022 Having read through his service records, I don't think he made it to Gallipoli. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hughes Games Posted 15 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 15 January , 2022 45 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Neurasthenia - more like nervous exhaustion than 'shell-shock' Officers seemingly rather more often got it, whilst other ranks more often got the other!! M Astonishing. in around 24 hours you gentlemen have told us the entire story of my grandfathers rather tragic war. No wonder he found visits from his younger brother, (with his MC and bar) so difficult. I suppose none of us know how we would react in a real war situation, I might be utterly traumatised like Grandpa, or I might be courageous like uncle Claude, I am very grateful I have not been put to that test. I hesitate to ask but are you able to find out more about Claude Mitchell Hughes-Games? Please do not do this if its lots of work. I am going to organise an appointment at the IWM to try to read Lockwoods papers where he specifically talks about Claude actually in the trenches. A first hand account like that will be priceless. Thank you all very much indeed for this information - I cannot believe how quickly the whole story has been uncovered. Very best wishes, Martin Hughes-Games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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