Understanding Pension Ledger Card 2nd Lieutenant David Thomas Davies South Wales Borderers

[Margaretnolan]

I have attached two Pension Ledger Index Cards for David Thomas Davies. I’m wondering what the date 12.01.59 indicates or what the other numbers indicate. Thank you.

Regards

Margaret

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

I'd suggest it's the end of the claim due to either his, or his widow's death.

Would you have an address or a date of birth?
Otherwise chasing a death for a David Thomas Davies or a Mary Davies in Wales is going to be a tricky one!

[ss002d6252]

As dai mentions, it's most likely a death.

There was a new claim number allocated - 261584 - to replace the old 152871. This would suggest that there was another claim started, which would only happen in the case of a widow's claim being made. The cards show this later number was allocated in 1956 or later, but it doesn't by itself confirm that 1959 was when the widow's claim was opened, only that it was somewhere between 1956 and 1959.

Craig

[Margaretnolan]

20 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

I'd suggest it's the end of the claim due to either his, or his widow's death.

Would you have an address or a date of birth?
Otherwise chasing a death for a David Thomas Davies or a Mary Davies in Wales is going to be a tricky one!

Oh I know Dai…I’ve walked your cemeteries. Evan Evans, Thomas Thomas..and so on!

I believe he might be Llandysul area. I have searched census and so on to find him but can’t tie him down. It will be tonight before I can go back searching.

Thank you

Margaret 

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

Just a possility:

Maesllwyd, Cwmsychbant, Llanybydder, Carmarthenshire :

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/4745267:1262?_phsrc=ZsW80&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=David+thomas&gsln=Davies&ml_rpos=1&queryId=160ae97822555c72079ffa9478e4a149

Edited 5 December , 2021 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

[Margaretnolan]

12 hours ago, ss002d6252 said:

As dai mentions, it's most likely a death.

There was a new claim number allocated - 261584 - to replace the old 152871. This would suggest that there was another claim started, which would only happen in the case of a widow's claim being made. The cards show this later number was allocated in 1956 or later, but it doesn't by itself confirm that 1959 was when the widow's claim was opened, only that it was somewhere between 1956 and 1959.

Craig

Thank you Craig. The information you have given me might help me to narrow down the dates to find his death or that of his wife.

Margaret

[Margaretnolan]

11 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Just a possility:

Maesllwyd, Cwmsychbant, Llanybydder, Carmarthenshire :

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/4745267:1262?_phsrc=ZsW80&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=David+thomas&gsln=Davies&ml_rpos=1&queryId=160ae97822555c72079ffa9478e4a149

Dai,

I believe that could be the right David Thomas. But I’m wondering if this is the same address, attached.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2353/images/rg14_33384_0033_06?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=63a466552643aaa18a0c29c23bf75e59&usePUB=true&_phsrc=zKl12&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.173009831.508076142.1638649193-1027989759.1583515740&_gac=1.14951298.1637541696.EAIaIQobChMI_53y99mq9AIVCfjtCh1oVwhREAEYASAAEgJGv_D_BwE&pId=681281
 

 

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

@Margaretnolan

Yes that's  going to be the same place. Maesllwyd still exists, its about 1/4 mile out of the hamlet of Cwmsychbant on the road to Llanwenog, another small hamlet. 0.9 miles according to Google Maps :

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/52.0926629,-4.2176804/Llanwenog+Church,+Llanwenog,+Llanybydder/@52.0903009,-4.2173851,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m9!4m8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x486f1ace89785e35:0xb921f4aa67d39faa!2m2!1d-4.1996054!2d52.0875532!3e0

 

Edited 6 December , 2021 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

[Margaretnolan]

4 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

@Margaretnolan

Yes that's  going to be the same place. Maesllwyd still exists, its about 1/4 mile out of the hamlet of Cwmsychbant on the road to Llanwenog, another small hamlet. 0.9 miles according to Google Maps :

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/52.0926629,-4.2176804/Llanwenog+Church,+Llanwenog,+Llanybydder/@52.0903009,-4.2173851,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m9!4m8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x486f1ace89785e35:0xb921f4aa67d39faa!2m2!1d-4.1996054!2d52.0875532!3e0

 

 

Ah super.
I can’t find him on the 1939 registers. And I know it’s a needle in a haystack trying to find a death for a David Davies!

Thanks for your help Dai.

Regards

Margaret

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

Finding him in 1921 in the same place might be a starter, and if there was a spouse, that might help in narrowing him down in 1939.

Have you chased Probate Registers, I seem to remember I found one possible candidate who was a vicar of Llandybie in Carmarthenshire.

(Only because he was obviously educated- he was a student teacher in 1911, and a 2nd Lt. in the war.)

Have you found any further information about him?

[Margaretnolan]

1 hour ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Finding him in 1921 in the same place might be a starter, and if there was a spouse, that might help in narrowing him down in 1939.

Have you chased Probate Registers, I seem to remember I found one possible candidate who was a vicar of Llandybie in Carmarthenshire.

(Only because he was obviously educated- he was a student teacher in 1911, and a 2nd Lt. in the war.)

Have you found any further information about him?

I have a good bit on him. I need to put it all together.

He was a teacher in 1913 in Llanarth school and in Ponshaen/Pontsian school in 1916. He died in 1958 and is buried in Llanllweni, St Lukes. He was a Reverend and I have just found his probate. And was living at Llandybie. 

His wife’s name was Mary but I can’t find their marriage.

Apologies but the addresses just confuse me. 

I can’t see him in 1921 or 1939.

 

Thanks Dai for you help.

Margaret