Jo Savage Posted 26 November , 2021 Share Posted 26 November , 2021 (edited) Hi I'm doing some research for my husband and trying to find information on his great uncle, Walter Lloyd who was KIA 20 27 Nov 1917. So far my research has been fruitless, I've only managed to find him on the Army Reg of Soldier' Effects (UK). His wife was Elizabeth Buckley. Any guidance, information, photo etc would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance Jo Edited 26 November , 2021 by Jo Savage Forgot to mention country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 26 November , 2021 Share Posted 26 November , 2021 Hi Jo First look at the Long Long Trail tab at top of page which has lots of research tips. Please if you have it give us his DOB and where born, it does help Also advise if you subscribe to such as Ancestry or FindMyPast rgds Jon presume this is the man on CWGC so DOB around 1890 Lance Corporal Walter Lloyd | War Casualty Details | CWGC LANCE CORPORALWalter Lloyd Service Number: 23210 Regiment & Unit/Ship Grenadier Guards 3rd Bn. Date of Death Died 27 November 1917 Age 27 years old Buried or commemorated at CAMBRAI MEMORIAL, LOUVERVAL Panel 2. France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 26 November , 2021 Share Posted 26 November , 2021 Hopefully you will be able to register for National Archives and if so can download the war diary for free at the moment Search results: 3 Battalion Grenadier Guards | The National Archives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Savage Posted 26 November , 2021 Author Share Posted 26 November , 2021 Thank you. Yes I do believe this is the correct man although some of the details are a little incorrect, in regards to mother's name etc (Louisa was his step mum). I have FMP and Ancestry - that's where I found the information I have at hand, unfortunately I have been unable to unravel much more. Thank you again for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 26 November , 2021 Share Posted 26 November , 2021 UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 - Ancestry.co.uk Global, Find a Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current - Ancestry.co.uk UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923 - Ancestry.co.uk 1911 England Census - Ancestry.co.uk UK, British Army World War I Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 - Ancestry.co.uk UK, World War I Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 - Ancestry.co.uk hope these help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 26 November , 2021 Share Posted 26 November , 2021 On Ancestry you can only save war diaries page by page, so if you can download the whole lot from Nat Archive its better, but I think here is October 1917 for 3 bn Grenadier Guards on Ancestry, scroll back/forth as needed Ancestry.co.uk - UK, World War I War Diaries (France, Belgium and Germany), 1914-1920 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 26 November , 2021 Share Posted 26 November , 2021 Had a look at te war diary for that day and looks like not much happening, BUT!! on the pension record it says 5th Battalion???? Name: Walter Lloyd Gender: Male Rank: L/Cpl Record Type: Card Death Date: 27 Nov 1917 Service Number: 23210 Corps, Regiment or Unit: 5th Bn: Grenadier Guards Title: WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers Description: Other Ranks Died Lloyd E-Loader FW Next of Kin: Name Relation to Soldier Walter Lloyd Elizabeth Lloyd Widow Walter Edward Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 26 November , 2021 Share Posted 26 November , 2021 14 minutes ago, jonbem said: Had a look at te war diary for that day and looks like not much happening, BUT!! on the pension record it says 5th Battalion???? Name: Walter Lloyd Gender: Male Rank: L/Cpl Record Type: Card Death Date: 27 Nov 1917 Service Number: 23210 Corps, Regiment or Unit: 5th Bn: Grenadier Guards Title: WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers Description: Other Ranks Died Lloyd E-Loader FW Next of Kin: Name Relation to Soldier Walter Lloyd Elizabeth Lloyd Widow Walter Edward Lloyd I don't think there was a 5th Battalion Grn Grds! Guards Division - The Long, Long Trail (longlongtrail.co.uk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Savage Posted 26 November , 2021 Author Share Posted 26 November , 2021 Thank you once again Jon, you have been a wonderful help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 27 November , 2021 Share Posted 27 November , 2021 2 hours ago, jonbem said: Had a look at the war diary for that day and looks like not much happening Apart from going into action at 6.20am... I'm guessing you looked at the wrong day Jon. Narrative from 2nd Guards Brigade HQ war diary (WO 95/1218/5) The attack began at 6.20am almost in darkness. The tanks crossed the line at approximately the correct time, but some were reported to be rather late. The first news received was at 7.40am when OC 3rd GG reported that his two left companies had entered the village of Fontaine, but that his two right companies had been held up by wire and machine guns from the right. Reports received later (8.40am) from O's C 3rd GG and 1st CG showed that both objectives had been taken, and that the station of Fontaine had been occupied, but that both battalions had suffered very heavy casualties, both battalions asked for support. The two right companies of 3rd GG on the south side of the main Cambrai road had been practically obliterated by machine guns from La Folie which our artillery failed to silence. CWGC record 114 casualties for the battalion on this date (104 years ago today), 107 of these casualties, like Walter Lloyd, have no known grave, their names being remembered on the Cambrai Memorial. The War Gratuity payment of £12 and 10 shillings suggests a date of enlistment in the month from 28th February 1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 27 November , 2021 Share Posted 27 November , 2021 (edited) Ah sorry was looking at October! Ooops. here below November Edited 27 November , 2021 by jonbem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masters Posted 30 November , 2021 Share Posted 30 November , 2021 Good evening. 5th Batt. GG. was a UK based unit only for recovering casualties. Pte. Walter Lloyd was 3rd GG. Lt. Col. A. Thorne the of 3rd GG Commanding Officer left documents at the National Army Museum in London. On one list names have been selected to be trained for the 3rd Ypres attack on 31st July 1917. A L/c Lloyd is allocated for Rifle bombing trained as 2nd in command in No.4 platoon which would properly locate him in No. 1 Company 3rd GG. My great uncle is named in No.15 platoon and he was in No.4 Company 3rd GG. It could be your relative. Couple of books to read. A Generation missing by Lt. Carroll Carstairs in the Battalion, and Medicine and Duty by Dr. Harold Dearden he was the Battalion Medical Officer. Hope this helps. Regards JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Savage Posted 1 December , 2021 Author Share Posted 1 December , 2021 16 hours ago, Masters said: Good evening. 5th Batt. GG. was a UK based unit only for recovering casualties. Pte. Walter Lloyd was 3rd GG. Lt. Col. A. Thorne the of 3rd GG Commanding Officer left documents at the National Army Museum in London. On one list names have been selected to be trained for the 3rd Ypres attack on 31st July 1917. A L/c Lloyd is allocated for Rifle bombing trained as 2nd in command in No.4 platoon which would properly locate him in No. 1 Company 3rd GG. My great uncle is named in No.15 platoon and he was in No.4 Company 3rd GG. It could be your relative. Couple of books to read. A Generation missing by Lt. Carroll Carstairs in the Battalion, and Medicine and Duty by Dr. Harold Dearden he was the Battalion Medical Officer. Hope this helps. Regards JM Thank you, it's all so interesting yet sad at the same time. It makes my blood run cold and my stomach to churn when I read about what these poor soldiers went through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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