For Steve Becker, does Wolf's book mention Max Haller?

[Felix C]

Max Haller (1892-1960) served on UC25.(late edit UC22 not UC25) Prewar seaman on SMS Preussen. Volunteered for submarine service. Has quite an extensive media offering at the Jewish Museum in Berlin. Link here and a few photos pasted in as cheese: https://www.jmberlin.de/en/imperial-german-navy-israeli-war-fleet-life-story-accomplished-seaman

https://objekte.jmberlin.de/object/jmb-obj-273293;jsessionid=4E12A30E389550D47AA610AC45934886

https://objekte.jmberlin.de/object/jmb-obj-270720;jsessionid=D6E64D679A4DC893FFFEC05A45C69FF4

Can you share again the title of Wolf's book? Cannot find. 

Edited 20 November , 2021 by Felix C

[Guest]

Mate,

Thanks no, he only gives officers.

I do show at lest three men named Haller with German forces;

Haller Ernst    Matrose Marine     UB 66 Constantinople Flotilla 1917-18  U boat    1917-18     (born at KIA 18-1-18) vermißt* (died) Missing in the Eastern Mediterreanean 30 dead (all hands lost)

Haller Heinrich    Unteroffizier    711th MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Armee-Kraftwagen-Kolonne 711    1917-18    (1896 at Laudenau ) bisher vermißt MIA in Gefschaft (in prison) possibly PoW 20-9-18 at Nazareth

Haller Karl    Flugzeugober maat Marine    Flug-Mechanikers-Anwärter (Mechanic) Ground crew Airforce Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando) German Seaplane Sqn (Wasserfliegerabteilung)     1917-18    (born at München DoA 18-2-18) gestorben krantenhaus infolge unfalls geft (died as a result of an accident) near Therapia in German Hosp Konstantinopel grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul 
 

And these

Heller Bruno von     ObLtzS Marine    U Boat School Crew 4/09 to Commander UC 15 Constantinople Flotilla 1916 U boat    1916-    (1890 at Peitschendorf Sensburg KIA 30-11-16) shown vermißt MIA * died Lost for unknown reason probably off Danube's mouth 15 dead (all hands lost) possibility that she struck one of the mines laid there by SMS Breslau (Midilli) on 4-5-16 or lost with the Romanian torpedo boat Smeul when laying a mine field near the port of Sulina 11-16 No ships sunk or damaged awarded EK II & EK I and General Honor Decoration (Prussia) pre war 

Heller Hans George Wilhelm     Lt    Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei Generalstab Ottoman 5th Armee Dardanellen (5th Army)     1915-    (1892 at Wolfenbüttel DoD 18-7-15) of dysentery and meningitis in hosp at Konstinopel grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul from Res Fußartillerie-Regiment 17 - in türkischen Diensten gefallene preußische Offiziere 3 awarded EK II shown in Klaus Wolf's Book (not identified) 

Heller Karl    Boots-Maat Marine    PO SMS Breslau (Midilli) - I. Matrosen-Div Kapitulanten    1917-18     (born at Hannover KIA 20-1-18) Tot when SMS Breslau sunk by mines at Saros Bay off Imbros

Heller Karl    Heizer Marine     SMS Goeben (Yavuz) - II Werft Div. 2 Komp    1914-    (born at Halle KIA 18-11-14) Tot after action with Russian battleships off Crimea in Black Sea and suffered a hit from a 12-inch (305 mm) shell killing 13 and wounding three crew (or 16 KIA) 
Cheers

S.B

[Guest]

Mate,

Was he a Masch Maat, or tell how he gained his awards (EK II & EK I) rare for a Seaman?

Details are a bit short, but UC 25 arrived in the Med from the Baltic around June 1917 and operated from Pola.

So how he picked up these Ottoman awards is unknown?

Young Karl Donitz had command of her late in the war and sunk five ships from Feb to Aug when she was scuttled.

S.B

[michaeldr]

7 hours ago, Felix C said:

Can you share again the title of Wolf's book? Cannot find.

Felix,

Thomas P Iredale's translation of Klaus Wolf's book is called 'Victory at Gallipoli' [published in 2020 by Pen & Sword Military - ISBN 978 1 52676 816 2]                                   I understand that the original was published in German in 2008 as 'Gallipoli, 1915: Das Deutsch-Türkische Militärbündnis im Ersten Weltkrieg'

As the title suggests it is principally concerned with the Gallipoli campaign of 1915-1916, however the three Appendices cover;                                                                    German officers serving in that theatre between 1914-1916                                                                                                                                                                                chronological list of German officers and men who died in that theatre between 1914-1916                                                                                                                                          crew list of those killed 20 Jan 1918 when the Breslau was sunk

1 hour ago, stevebecker said:

how he picked up these Ottoman awards is unknown?

As Steve has suggested, it is not immediately obvious how Haller came to be awarded the Ottoman decorations and it would be helpful if you could supply any further details which you might have regarding his service

regards                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Michael

 

Note to Mods: why is the editing function for the type layout not working?

Edited 20 November , 2021 by michaeldr

[michaeldr]

Later than our official period of research, but interesting nonetheless, in WWII he worked with the British navy:

https://www.jmberlin.de/1933/en/08_03_certificate-confirming-max-hallers-qualifications-as-a-maritime-machinist.php

“In Palestine Max Haller returned to his original profession and went back to sea. During the next eight years he worked as a machinist and later he served as chief engineer on cargo vessels in the naval fleet. In 1936, supplementing his German qualifications, he took the first engineer‘s examination for steam and diesel-powered ships conducted by a British commission.

When war broke out, his ship was confiscated by the British Navy, but he was able to continue his service. In 1941 he transferred directly to the British Admiralty and until 1946 he worked as the technical director (sic) of the Royal Naval Armament Depot in Ismailia, Egypt.”

The Navy List, December 1942

[KizmeRD]

According to the Jewish Museum in Berlin…

 

Max Haller (1892-1960) was born in Silesia the son of a synagogue cantor, He began work as a machinist on German merchant vessels in 1911 and joined the German Imperial Navy two years later. He volunteered for the German submarine fleet in 1915 and served in the Mediterranean until the end of the war. Max Haller received military decorations from three allied empires. The Austrian emperor honored him with the medal for bravery, the Ottoman Empire presented the German seaman with both the Iron Crescent (also known as the Gallipoli Star) and the Liyakat medal on a red and green ribbon. From the German Empire, he received the Iron Cross, First and Second Class, and the Submarine War Badge, first introduced in 1918. 

Haller decided to leave his home country and emigrated with his family to Palestine in Autumn of 1933. He returned to seafaring, serving as chief engineer on various merchant ships. Apparently, late on in life, he also joined the Israeli navy.

 

MB

 

[Felix C]

Hello Everyone,

Outstanding responses as always. He was a Machinist Mate and joined the submarine service in 1915. Joined the regular navy in 1913. Prewar served on S/S Bayern. 

Will ascertain additional info. and post again here.  

Regards

FC

NB: KizmeRD posted same while I was waffling my entry. 

NB2: A photo here with comrades it is captioned as from UC22. My mistake earlier in keying UC25. It was UC22.

https://objekte.jmberlin.de/object/jmb-obj-270709;jsessionid=199F05DD0C8B372CC74DDD1CAC4A792E

Edited 20 November , 2021 by Felix C

[Felix C]

here it is from https://sharedhistoryproject.org/essay/german-jews-go-to-war

 "Max Haller was born in 1892 in the town of Haynau (Polish: Chojnów) in Lower Silesia. At the age of 16, following the mandatory completion of the first ten years of schooling, he began an apprenticeship as a machine and ship builder, boiler smith, and mechanic at the Vulcan shipyard in Hamburg. When the war began in August 1914, Haller was a crew member on board the S.M.S. Preußen, which served as a flagship of the German high seas fleet, whose main function was to guard the German Bight. In December 1915, he transferred to the submarine division and six months later was assigned to the SM UC 22, whose crew consisted of three officers and 23 enlisted men.

Haller began with the rank of mechanic, and by the end of the war he had been promoted to chief mechanical engineer. The UC 22 was a torpedo equipped minelaying submarine that patrolled in the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean and Aegean Seas. Over the course of the war, its mines and torpedoes sank 22 merchant and passenger ships and one warship, the HMS Louvain. On November 19, 1916, Haller received his first medal, the Iron Cross Second Class; the Austrian Silver Medal for Courage followed in February 1918. He was awarded the Iron Cross First Class one month later for freeing the propeller of his submarine from nets laden with explosives near the Italian Coast. The two medals from the Ottoman Empire and the German U-boat War Badge were bestowed upon him in the remaining months of the conflict."

 

This part deals with postwar and interaction with the NSDAP it is a very good read. https://sharedhistoryproject.org/essay/max-haller-the-man-behind-the-medals

Edited 20 November , 2021 by Felix C

[Felix C]

Here is a photo from his time on SMS Preussen. Wonder how many of his comrades in the photo joined the submarine branch as I was reading a memoir and a machinist mate on a guard ship indicate he and his buddy elected to join to do their part.

https://objekte.jmberlin.de/object/jmb-obj-270658/Max+Haller+(1892-1960)+mit+Kameraden+von+der+S.M.S.+Preußen?imgId=270659

https://objekte.jmberlin.de/object/jmb-obj-273299;jsessionid=89E653C708CEC85AF6B0CC49B89504F7

Jan 1918 and no EKI

 

Edited 20 November , 2021 by Felix C

[Guest]

Mate,

I did some checking and found these men from his town so which were his brothers is to be seen;

Haller

Heinrich

Haynau

Haller

Heinrich

Haynau, Goldberg

Preußen 674

Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment 238

Haller

Karl

Haynau

Preußen 1510

Landsturm-Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon Seligenstadt (XVIII. 40.)

Haller

Siegbert

Haynau, Goldberg

Preußen 1111

Haller

Viktor

Haynau, Goldberg

Preußen 1517

Landsturm-Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon Seligenstadt (XVIII. 40)

Which are the right ones?

Karl and Victor died of illness in 1918 while Siegbert was reported Missing, Heinrich appears also missing

So if we are looking at those who did, possibly Karl and Victor were his brothers?

S.B

Edited 20 November , 2021 by stevebecker

[RonHW]

On 20-Nov-2021, somebody asked about Max Haller's brothers. 
There is some information in "Liskor 19" (starting on page 3), which can be found at
https://www.jghh.org/de/gemeinde/downloads/category/37-hamburger-gesellschaft-fuer-juedische-genealogie-e-v?download=333:liskor-019
But I have access to a family tree drawn up by Alisa, daughter of Max's brother Willi (though some of the names appear somewhat informal).
Max was one of the 11 offspring (6 male and 5 female) of cantor Josef Haller (1853-1938) and his wife Auguste Golde, née Galewsky (1855-1920).
So here's what I have, from that family tree and some internet searches:
(1) Berthold: born 8/10/1879, died 1943 in Theresienstadt.
(2) Isaak "Jack": born 26/9/1880, died 26/1/1965, buried in Kfar Saba (Israel).
(3) Minna: born 15/1/1882, married Alfred Loebmann, died 1973 in Israel.
(4) Hannah "Hanni": born 8/4/1884 married Curt Lisser, died ??/12/1968; last address: Jackson Heights, Queens County, NY 11372
(5) Wilhelm "Willi": born 10/4/1886, died 5/2/1976 in Sharon hospital (Israel), buried Holon cemetery.
(6) Vally: born 8/2/1888, married Georg Falkenberg, died 5/5/1947 in Israel.
(7) Heinz: born ?/?/1890, Wounded 25/9/1916, English p-o-w, died 7/10/1916 (Étaples, Calais).
(8) Max: born 5/3/1892, died 13/9/1960 in Berlin.
(9) Rosa: born 28/3/1894, married Franz Salomon, died ?/?/1943 in Israel
(10) Siegbert: born ?/?/1896, killed 17/2/1918 at age 21, buried in Halluin (military) cemetery
(11) Dora: born 16/6/1898, married Arthur Eisner, died 25/1/1981 at Beit Rivka, Petah Tikva (Israel), buried Kiriat-Shaul cemetery.
(It is said that, in effect, Auguste died of a broken heart following the loss of her sons Heinz and Siegbert.)
BTW, I was the boy in this 1959 photo with Max and his wife Katharina.