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Discrepancies in the composition of the German and Austro-Hungarian army during Gorlice Tarnow breakthrough


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For anyone who has read "Breakthrough: The Gorlice Tarnow Campaign 1915", I wish to ask you about the size of a squadron in the Germany army in 1914-1915.

Armies of belligerents

Number of troops*

 

Guns

Machine guns

Mortars

Light

Heavy

RUSSIAN:

3rd army 7 army corps (18½ infantry divisioss 5¾ cavalry divisions

219,000

675

4

600

 

GERMAN AND AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN

4th army 3 army corps (8 infantry divisions 1 cavalry divisions

90,900

350

103

150

 

11th army 5 army corps (10 infantry divisions)

126,000

457

159

260

96

3rd army 5 army corps (13½  infantry divisions 2 cavalry divisions

140,500

465

72

250

 

All German and Austro-Hungarian 31½ infantry divisions, 3 cavalry divisions

357,400

1272

334

660

96

This table is taken from Russian source: It has been quoted by Dowling in "The Brusilov Offensive", page 28, Dowling then refers to "The Eastern Front" by Norman Stone, and this is taken from page 130, 131, 1975 edition. Stone got some figures wrong and cite the Russian source with the wrong page number.

Dr. Dinardo then provides his own estimation based on the battle order found in Schlachten des Weltkrieges, band 30, Gorlice. I have collected both his estimation and information on the average size of a batallion of the German and Austrian armies.

Corps

Divisions

Battalions

Squadrons

Average size of battalions*

Estimated size

Artillery

Machine guns

Prussian Guard Corps

1st Guard Division

 

24

6

23 officers and 859 men

25,000

108

60

2nd Guard Division

XXXXI Reserve Corps

81st Reserve Divisions

18

4

21 officers and 953 men

20,000

108

43

82st Reserve Divisions

Corps Kneussl

Bavarian 11th infantry division

18

6

23 officers and 998 men

20,000

56

40

Bavarian 119th infantry division

Corps X

19th infantry division

18

6

 

20,000

108

53

20th infantry division

Austro-Hungarian VI Corps

12th Infantry Division

28

4

34 officers and 1086 men

33,000

106

64

Hungarian 39th Honved Division

11th Kavalerie Division

Total

11 divisions

106

26

 

118,000

486

260

It is on page 43-46 of Dinardo's work.

The figure differs not too much (118,000 vs 126,000) (still significant), while the figure on machine guns is exactly the same. The figure for artillery is the most troublesome to reconcile because the Russians listed both heavy and light artillery, together 616 pieces, whereas German's source is only 486 pieces.

Do you guys know how many troops did a squadron contain in this period of the war?

According to Hermann Cron's Imperial German Army 1914-1918, an infantry division comprised of:

  • 12 infantry batallions
  • 4 machine guns companies
  • 3-4 squadrons
  • 12 field artillery batteries
  • 1-2 pioneer companies
  • 2 medical companies

(page 96)

 

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The establishment of a Cavalry Regt of 4 Squadrons was 36 Officers plus 688 NCOs and Men. Source - Hermann Cron, Geschichte des Deutschen Heeres im Weltkrieg 1914-18.

 

 

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On 24/09/2021 at 23:31, charlie2 said:

The establishment of a Cavalry Regt of 4 Squadrons was 36 Officers plus 688 NCOs and Men. Source - Hermann Cron, Geschichte des Deutschen Heeres im Weltkrieg 1914-18.

Which page is it? I only have the English version. If you can give me the name of chapter and subsection plus the page of your German edition, I would be very grateful.

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5 hours ago, Brusilov said:

Which page is it? I only have the English version. If you can give me the name of chapter and subsection plus the page of your German edition, I would be very grateful.

Part IV, Section C - The Cavalry, Subsection 2 - The Cavalry Regiment, Page 136.

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