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My relative Lance Corporal Robert Drummond was wounded May 1915 in FRance

I understand his battalion was part of 7th (Meerut) Division

Does a War Diary Exist? I can't find it on Ancestry

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Download it for free from the National Archive site. This bit covers up to December 1915.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7356139

 

You do need to sign in with your account, but if you haven't got one yet, even that can be set up as part of placing your first order - no financial details required.

 

Cheers,

Peter

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Hi

There is a War Diary for The 7 Indian (Meerut) Division. I have a copy do you want to know about May 1915 ?

From the 1st to the 5th the 2nd were in reserve east of Vielle-Chapell

May 5th reserve at Les-Lobes,Digging party out from 18:15 to 05:00 on the 6th Lt Lumsden and 6 other men wounded.

Moved to front line on the 8th Canal Bridge Vielle-Chapelle

9th May moved to front trenches assault by No 2 Coy and No 4 Coy to be followed by No1 and No 3 Coy

16:00 The Charge Commenced.

Casualties Killed 3 Officers,69 Other Ranks.

Wounded 4 Officers,157 Other Ranks,Missing 36 Other Ranks.

10th May in reserve Rue-de-Berceau,casualties 8 wounded.

11th May as above no casualties

12th May 4 wounded.

13th May 1 Killed 4 Wounded.

14th Moved to Croix-Barbee-1Killed 4 Wounded.

15th as above 1 killed 1 wounded.

16th moved back to Rue-De-Berceaux. 3 Wounded.

17th May in front line trenches 3 killed 14 wounded.

18 as above 1officer killed & 1 wounded,8 other ranks killed 40 wounded

19th relieved from trenches

20th at Landedowne  no casualties.

21st as above.

22nd,23rd,24th,25th as above.

26th In Billits east of Vielle- Chapelle up to 31st.

There is a lot more in the Diary but that is an outline of it for you.

Gary

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Andrew,

 

Is this you relative: 9668 L.Cpl Robert Kilgour Drummond?

If so, I can give you a fair bit on him.
 

Cheers,

Derek.

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1 hour ago, PRC said:

Download it for free from the National Archive site. This bit covers up to December 1915.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7356139

 

You do need to sign in with your account, but if you haven't got one yet, even that can be set up as part of placing your first order - no financial details required.

 

Cheers,

Peter

Thxs Peter,got it!

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Derek Black said:

Andrew,

 

Is this you relative: 9668 L.Cpl Robert Kilgour Drummond?

If so, I can give you a fair bit on him.
 

Cheers,

Derek.

Yes! I have his medal cards and entry to St Omer Hospital from fmp/ancestry

As well as his original attestation into Militia in 1903

Have-you anything else?

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1 hour ago, dundeesown said:

Hi

There is a War Diary for The 7 Indian (Meerut) Division. I have a copy do you want to know about May 1915 ?

From the 1st to the 5th the 2nd were in reserve east of Vielle-Chapell

May 5th reserve at Les-Lobes,Digging party out from 18:15 to 05:00 on the 6th Lt Lumsden and 6 other men wounded.

Moved to front line on the 8th Canal Bridge Vielle-Chapelle

9th May moved to front trenches assault by No 2 Coy and No 4 Coy to be followed by No1 and No 3 Coy

16:00 The Charge Commenced.

Casualties Killed 3 Officers,69 Other Ranks.

Wounded 4 Officers,157 Other Ranks,Missing 36 Other Ranks.

10th May in reserve Rue-de-Berceau,casualties 8 wounded.

11th May as above no casualties

12th May 4 wounded.

13th May 1 Killed 4 Wounded.

14th Moved to Croix-Barbee-1Killed 4 Wounded.

15th as above 1 killed 1 wounded.

16th moved back to Rue-De-Berceaux. 3 Wounded.

17th May in front line trenches 3 killed 14 wounded.

18 as above 1officer killed & 1 wounded,8 other ranks killed 40 wounded

19th relieved from trenches

20th at Landedowne  no casualties.

21st as above.

22nd,23rd,24th,25th as above.

26th In Billits east of Vielle- Chapelle up to 31st.

There is a lot more in the Diary but that is an outline of it for you.

Gary

Thxs Gary very helpful.He was admitted to St Omer Hospital 10 May with gunshot wound to chest, so looks like he was probably in battle on 9thMay

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Andrew,

 

9668 L.Cpl Robert Kilgour Drummond, Born Dysart abt. 1886.

A labourer, he enlisted into Black Watch 24/11/1903.
Recalled as a reservist in August, 1914, now a warehouseman with Messrs James Normand & sons, went out with initial cohort of the 1st, arriving in France 14/08/1914.

Wounded in the legs by a shell on 06/09/1914 at Rozoy. Admitted 3rd Welsh Hospital, Cardiff on 13/09/1914

Possibly transferred to the 2nd btn at upon his recovery.

Wounded at Aubers Ridge in May 1915, sent to Glasgow Infirmary

Discharged under 392 XVI (Wounds) on 02/04/1916 aged, 30 due to GSW in back with spinal column injury

 

Resided with Mr Andrew Hutchison, 106 Institution Street, Sinclairtown, Kirkcaldy.


A letter from Drummond to Hutchison after his first wounding appeared in the local press.

A small portrait photo appears of him in the local newspapers in July 1915.

 

Cheers,
Derek.

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24 minutes ago, Derek Black said:

Discharged under 392 XVI (Wounds) on 02/04/1916 aged, 30 due to GSW in back with spinal column injury

2 x pension cards at WFA/Fold3 

DRUMMMOND, Robert Kilgour, 9668, LCpl, Royal Highlanders / Black Watch

Born 1886

GSW Back with injury to spinal column

Treatment file opened [so he got some sort of therapeutic treatment]

Permanent pension 20% [20% disability]

469 High St, Kirkcaldy

:-) M

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7 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

2 x pension cards at WFA/Fold3 

DRUMMMOND, Robert Kilgour, 9668, LCpl, Royal Highlanders / Black Watch

Born 1886

GSW Back with injury to spinal column

Treatment file opened [so he got some sort of therapeutic treatment]

Permanent pension 20% [20% disability]

469 High St, Kirkcaldy

:-) M


Yes, that's where i got the discharge wound info from. Thanks for letting Andrew know. I should have listed all the sources for the info i gave.

 

I'd be reluctant to use the birth year from the pensions cards, many given are often somewhere within 3 years either side of actual birth dates. Silver War Badge records seems more often to be closer or correct. I've no idea why this is bit it's a common feature I've found.

 

Cheers,

Derek.

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59 minutes ago, Derek Black said:

Yes, that's where i got the discharge wound info from. Thanks for letting Andrew know. I should have listed all the sources for the info i gave.

 

I'd be reluctant to use the birth year from the pensions cards, many given are often somewhere within 3 years either side of actual birth dates. Silver War Badge records seems more often to be closer or correct. I've no idea why this is bit it's a common feature I've found.

Derek,

No problem but I always find to useful to know source(s) so always try to quote [not least as it can allow me/others to find and double/perhaps better check].

I tend to transcribe [often with an interpretation] but do understand the source material might be a bit 'off' on occasion(s) - but may be useful if not readily found elsewhere.

Hope that has helped Andrew on his voyage.

:-) M

 

 

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3 hours ago, Derek Black said:

Andrew,

 

9668 L.Cpl Robert Kilgour Drummond, Born Dysart abt. 1886.

A labourer, he enlisted into Black Watch 24/11/1903.
Recalled as a reservist in August, 1914, now a warehouseman with Messrs James Normand & sons, went out with initial cohort of the 1st, arriving in France 14/08/1914.

Wounded in the legs by a shell on 06/09/1914 at Rozoy. Admitted 3rd Welsh Hospital, Cardiff on 13/09/1914

Possibly transferred to the 2nd btn at upon his recovery.

Wounded at Aubers Ridge in May 1915, sent to Glasgow Infirmary

Discharged under 392 XVI (Wounds) on 02/04/1916 aged, 30 due to GSW in back with spinal column injury

 

Resided with Mr Andrew Hutchison, 106 Institution Street, Sinclairtown, Kirkcaldy.


A letter from Drummond to Hutchison after his first wounding appeared in the local press.

A small portrait photo appears of him in the local newspapers in July 1915.

 

Cheers,
Derek.

Many Thanks !

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