GROBBY Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 Hi can anyone help me with a puzzle I have .I am researching a Sidney Charles Appleton born 15th January 1888 in Colchester Essex I have found only one Sidney Charles Appleton born in Essex in the 1880s and he married Edith M Humphrey in 1913 and joined the RFC on 1.6.16 .Im OK so far but found an Appleton joining the 1st Battalion Essex Regiment in 1904 also from Essex and being in Quetta India in 1911 .This also might be ok but then I found a newspaper report of 1915 .Is this the same man and he is a bigamist or is it a different man. He didnt divorce and Edith M Appleton didnt die until 1930. Could I find anything from the injurys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 #8272 was wounded around the time of the news article. Casualty list of 15 Feb 1915 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000540%2f19150215%2f066&stringtohighlight=appleton wounded Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 Looking at the pension records #8272 applied for a pension under that number in 1919, no mention of service other than the Essex. Looks like two different men to me. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 Marriages Mar 1915 (>99%) Appleton Sydney C. Butcher Braintree 4a1313 Butcher Gertrude A. Appleton Braintree 4a1313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 There is also an RAF record for him, same date of birth, on Findmypast. No mention of previous military service. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FAIR79%2F298%2F00165&parentid=GBM%2FAIR79%2F246320 Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tootrock Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 In the 1939 Register there is a Sidney C Appleton, same date of birth, now married to Lily! Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROBBY Posted 13 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 February , 2021 Lily was Lily Brown and he married her in Newcastle Under Lyme in 1934 after his first wife died .What I could not understand is that i can only find one Sidney Charles Appleton around 1888 in Essex and cant find another anywhere in the 1891 1901 censuses born around that date and only one in the 1911 census and he is in the 1st batt Essex Regiment in India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 There are two Sydney Charles Appleton. They are both in 1911 census One is the carpenter living in Colchester The other is with Essex Reg. he was born 1887 in Jenkinstown, Essex This link gives you 1911 census sin Ancestry with both men - click for link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROBBY Posted 13 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 February , 2021 Thank you for showing this to me as my 1911 on Find My Past only gives one . I cannot see the Ancestry without paying but I shall try other routes to find it now I know its there Thank you all again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 8 minutes ago, corisande said: One is the carpenter living in Colchester The RFC man was a woodwork instructor in civilian life according to his record. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 The birthplace of the Essex Regt man is difficult to find. Ancestry transcribes the 1911 census as Jenkinstown, Essex (which is clearly wrong) and FmP transcribes it as Parkinstow, which is closer to the truth, but still apparently wrong (ie I cannot find it in Essex) This is the place on the original Essex is unknown land to me, perhaps someone with local knowledge can venture as to where this is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 1 hour ago, corisande said: This is the place on the original Essex is unknown land to me, perhaps someone with local knowledge can venture as to where this is Looking at the letter formation and comparing the last letter to other places on the census page, then I don’t think it’s a lower case “w”. Line 10 has a man born “Bow”, while the entry on line 23 is for a “John Barlow”. Both share the same letter formation. But it also isn’t a lower case “m” like “Ingram” on line 6. I’m leaning toward it being “n”. First letter as a capital “P” seems more plausible – there are close proximities to it in the many “Private”’s written on the page. The letter after the “k” isn’t necessarily an “i” – there are plenty of examples all over the page and while some of the dots get orphaned over an adjoining letter, none are so high on the line. I think it’s a flaw, or a piece of dust on the scanner. (Image sourced courtesy Genes Reunited) Which keeps leading me back in my mind to “Parkeston”, which is adjacent to Harwich and is where the ferry to Holland actually sails from. Cheers, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 This looks to be the 1887 birth Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 1911 Census of England & Wales Of the two men - Private Sidney Charles Appleton, aged 24, 1st Battalion, Essex Regiment, born “Parkinstow”, in barracks at Quetta, Baluchistan. The second individual is transcribed on the source I’m using as “Seling” Charles Appleton, and if anything, looking more like “Selwyn” Charles Appleton, aged 23 and a Carpenter & Joiner, born Colchester, he was recorded living at 24 Errington Road, Colchester. This was the household of parents George, (50, Builder, born Great Braxsted, Essex), and Emma, (46, born Great Totham, Essex). The couple have been married 26 years and have had 7 children, of which 4 were then still alive. The marriage of a George Appleton to an Emma Burns was recorded in the Maldon District of Essex in the July to September quarter, (Q3), of 1884. The birth of a Sidney Charles Appleton, mothers’ maiden name “Burnes”, was registered with the Civil Authorities in the Colchester District in the January to March quarter, (Q1), of 1888. Cheers, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 13 February , 2021 Share Posted 13 February , 2021 Think it may be Maries Stow- a reversal of the more usual Stow Maries, where there was an RFC base in the Great War- It is south of Maldon but in that registration district Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 14 February , 2021 Share Posted 14 February , 2021 11 hours ago, voltaire60 said: Think it may be Maries Stow- a reversal of the more usual Stow Maries, where there was an RFC base in the Great War- It is south of Maldon but in that registration district Hmmm. I'm inclined to go with PRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 February , 2021 Share Posted 14 February , 2021 1 hour ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: Hmmm. I'm inclined to go with PRC. Thats OK, DB- we at the metropolitan end of Essex only have one name for the other end-wilderness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROBBY Posted 14 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2021 Im a Maldonite and I work at Stow Maries C Flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROBBY Posted 14 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2021 At the moment im researching and doing Biogs for groundcrew 37 sqdn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 14 February , 2021 Share Posted 14 February , 2021 (edited) A list of the civil parishes covered by the Maldon Civil Registration District at the time can be seen here https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/maldon.html Strangely the birth places of both the father and mother of the other man both fall within the Maldon District. 18 hours ago, ss002d6252 said: This looks to be the 1887 birth Mothers' maiden name Finch. The only likely marriage I could see in England & Wales using Genes Reunited and familysearch is that of a William Alfred Appleton to an Emma Finch, recorded in the Rochford District of Essex, Q1 1874. I can find a William and Emma all the way through to the 1911 Census, although there they state they have only been married 32 years, not 37, and of their 5 children, only 3 were still alive. But when I investigate their other children, the mothers' maiden name is shown as "Cottis" and they have a daughter Elizabeth, born Q4 1887. Elsewhere in the Maldon District on the 1891 Census of England & Wales there is a "4" year old Charles Appleton, born Tolleshunt Major, Essex, who was recorded living in a dwelling on Church Street, Goldhanger, Essex. This was the household of his parents John, (aged 32, an Agricultural Labourer, born Goldhanger), and Emma, (aged 29, born Tolleshunt Major). His other siblings living with him are the 6 year old Edward, (Edward William Appleton, Maldon District Q3 1884, mothers' maiden name Finch), the 5 year old Arthur, (Arthur Appleton, Maldon District Q1 1886, mothers' maiden name Finch), the 3 year old Alan, (Alan Appleton, Maldon District Q4 1888, mothers' maiden name Finch) - all born Tolleshunt Major, and the 1 year old Frank, born Goldhanger, (Frank Appleton, Maldon District Q1 1890, mothers' maiden name Finch). And this is where the old maxim comes in to check and check again. There is a marriage of a John Appleton recorded in the Maldon District in Q4 1883 in the Genes Reunited and familysearch sources, but it is not clear who he married. A check of all the individuals from the same page on FreeBMD brings up - (Image courtesy FreeBMD) Charles is not recorded living with them on either the 1901 or 1911 Censuses of England & Wales. On the 1911 Census John & Eliza state that of their 12 children, 1 had died. May be a co-incidence, but the death of a 12 year old Charles Appleton was recorded in the Maldon District in Q3 1899. It's not conclusive - 7 of the 11 living children were living with their parents on the 1911 Census, leaving four to be accounted for and so prove the deceased child was Charles, or perhaps there will be a newspaper report of the death, but at this point I would have to think it was a very strong probability. On that basis I think the Charles Appleton whose birth was registered in the Maldon District in Q2 1887 can be discounted. Cheers, Peter Edited 14 February , 2021 by PRC Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 February , 2021 Share Posted 14 February , 2021 14 hours ago, PRC said: Which keeps leading me back in my mind to “Parkeston”, which is adjacent to Harwich and is where the ferry to Holland actually sails from. Cheers, Peter Fully agree with this- lurking at the back of my mind overnight. (Along with the alleged sign at Liverpool Street-"Harwich for the Continent, Frinton for the........" ). I am away from it but have you tried the Essex births, marriages,deaths,baptisms, etc on Ancestry-done through Essex Record Office.? 4 million entries- much be a clue in there somewhere!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 14 February , 2021 Share Posted 14 February , 2021 (edited) The Essex Regt man was not born Sidney Charles Appleton, he used it to enlist. He was born Henry Charles V Appleton in Parkeston, Essex. The place he gave in 1911 census while serving in India He reverts to Henry Charles Appleton after WW1, and is in 1939 register as such. The 1939 register also gives his old Essex no as 8272 where he served 14 years. Look that up and you find his MIC for S Appleton His army enlistment as Sidney Appleton in 1904 gives his father and his address Go to 1901 census for 7 Adelaide St and you get cross check with FreeBMD Births Dec 1887 (>99%) Appleton Henry Charles V Tendring 4a 501 Edited 14 February , 2021 by corisande Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROBBY Posted 14 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2021 Thank you for your hard work . The Sidney Charles Appleton I am researching I think is the 63 Winchester road Colchester man as both he his father and his brother were all Carpenter Joiners and the birthdate is right .My confusion was that I only had one S C Appleton and records that didnt match especialy the marriages and army records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROBBY Posted 14 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2021 Thank you all for the work I think I can do the Biog now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROBBY Posted 14 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2021 Its a shame not to have the army angle with the wounding and such but at least its now sorted Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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