Capt Kadir Bey KIA a Suvla (Kiretch Tepe)

[stevenbecker]

Mates,

 

I show to date for the death of Capt Kadir during fighting at Suvla 

 

Capt Kadir was the Commander of what was left of the Gellibolu (Gallipoli) Jandarma Bn, who held the Suvla area when attacked during the British landing in Aug 1915.

 

Some accounts shown the Capt killed on the 8th Aug, while others show he was killed during the British break out attempt 15 Aug 1915, when the remainder of the unit was almost destroyed (German account)?

 

Do we know when he was killed?

 

S.B

[emrezmen]

Kolagasi/Senior Captain Kadri (b.1877) was mortally wounded in the head either on Aslan Tepe (Bench Mark) or Projektor Tepe on 15 August and transferred to hospital in Yalova village. There he DOW on 21 August. Promoted to major two days before his death.  

 

 

Edited 19 December , 2020 by emrezmen

[Guest]

Emrezmen,

 

Thank you, clears his death up nicely.

 

Cheers

S.B

[Jeff Pickerd]

Steve,

 

To add a little further to the answer from Emre, according to the writing of Murat Karakas, ‘The Gallipoli Campaign with Maps’, from The translated Turkish Works on Gallipoli, Macquarie University at the chapter, Kirectepe Battles(9 - 17 August 1915), page 98 - end notes - “On August 15th, 1915 at 19.00, Gelibolu Gendarme Battalion Commander Lieutenant Kadri got hit in the head.” (Karakas records in the chapter text that Kadri was the Captain of of the Battalion, so unsure of why the Gelibolu Gendarme Battalion war history would have him ranked as Lieutenant.)

The end notes also state: “On the 15th August, as per the order of Wilmer, Gelibolu Gendarme Battalion in Kirectepe was going to leave its position to the 127/2nd Battalion and retreat to the military camp at Tursun. Only the Battalion Commander Lieutenant Kadri was going to remain at his place till he was ordered.”

 

Karatas lists the references as: ATASE Archives, Gelibolu Mobile Gendarme Battalion War Record, 5776/H1, H2, H3,Hayir, a.g.e., page 57; Mustafa Kemal, a.g.e., page 58; TGSH, Vol/3, page 418.

 

Maybe Emre can check those reference sources out for you.

 

Jeff

[emrezmen]

15 hours ago, Jeff Pickerd said:

Steve,

 

To add a little further to the answer from Emre, according to the writing of Murat Karakas, ‘The Gallipoli Campaign with Maps’, from The translated Turkish Works on Gallipoli, Macquarie University at the chapter, Kirectepe Battles(9 - 17 August 1915), page 98 - end notes - “On August 15th, 1915 at 19.00, Gelibolu Gendarme Battalion Commander Lieutenant Kadri got hit in the head.” (Karakas records in the chapter text that Kadri was the Captain of of the Battalion, so unsure of why the Gelibolu Gendarme Battalion war history would have him ranked as Lieutenant.)

The end notes also state: “On the 15th August, as per the order of Wilmer, Gelibolu Gendarme Battalion in Kirectepe was going to leave its position to the 127/2nd Battalion and retreat to the military camp at Tursun. Only the Battalion Commander Lieutenant Kadri was going to remain at his place till he was ordered.”

 

Karatas lists the references as: ATASE Archives, Gelibolu Mobile Gendarme Battalion War Record, 5776/H1, H2, H3,Hayir, a.g.e., page 57; Mustafa Kemal, a.g.e., page 58; TGSH, Vol/3, page 418.

 

Maybe Emre can check those reference sources out for you.

 

Jeff

 

Jeff, thanks for bringing this to our attention.

 

I don't think he was ranked as "lieutenant" in the original war diary because the Ottoman war diaries mostly consist of reports, orders, messages etc. written by officers themselves. Probably an inconsistent translation. As you may already noticed, the English in the article is somewhat problematic (not as much as mine), and the article has some problems with footnotes, unit names (e.g. 1st Battalion of the 3/39th Regiment? The 1st Battalion of the 7/19th Regiment?) and place names. Nevertheless, the info he made available from the war diaries is excellent.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 21 December , 2020 by emrezmen

[Guest]

Mate,

 

Ottoman records also give the company and Battalion and Regt. which sometimes they mix up

 

I've seen 64th Regt 2nd Btn 1st Company which should be 6th Company 

 

this goes on in the 2nd and 3rd btns where they give either the 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th Companies, and you have to guess what they mean.

 

S.B