stevenbecker Posted 16 October , 2020 Share Posted 16 October , 2020 (edited) Mates, Sorry about this but I can't find what rank this is in the Navy? Axen Heinrich Marine Ingenieur Appl SMS Breslau (Midilli) 1917-18 (born at Hörnerkirchen Pinneberg KIA 20-1-18) Kapitulanten ship sunk by mines at Saros Bay So what is Appl? I had thought he was an Officer Aspirant, but they are shown differently? Any ideas S.B Edited 16 October , 2020 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 17 October , 2020 Share Posted 17 October , 2020 (edited) Hi Steve! Maybe an educated apple-seller? No, joke... Appl. means APPLIKANT Note the differences between Anwärter, Applikant and Aspirant! The ranks were: a) Marine-Ingenieur-Anwärter (Matrose) b) Marine-Ingenieur-Oberanwärter (Obermatrose) c) Marine-Ingenieur-Applikant (Maat) d) Marine-Ingenieur-Oberapplikant (Obermaat) e) Marine-Ingenieur-Aspirant (Deckoffizier) f) Marine-Ingenieur-Oberaspirant (Oberdeckoffizier) I don´t know the english rank for Deckoffizier, probably Warrant-Officer? It´s rank between NCOs and officers. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dienstgrade_der_Kaiserlichen_Marine#Ingenieuranwärter Edited 17 October , 2020 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 17 October , 2020 Share Posted 17 October , 2020 Marine-Ingenieur-Applikant was both a common and rare rank. Common, in the sense that it’s a step in the training of engineering officer candidates but also rare in that you don’t see it that much on casualty lists. I’m guessing that stage of the training was mainly done on land or on large ships (battleships, a number were killed on Pommern). I don't think I've ever come across a Marine-Ingenieur-Applikant lost on a WWI U-boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 October , 2020 Share Posted 17 October , 2020 Mates, Thank you, so we are saying he was a Maat so a sailor not a WO (LI) So would this be right for their ranks? Axen Heinrich Maat Eng Marine Ingenieur-Applikant (Maat) SMS Breslau (Midilli) - I. Werft-Div 1. Abtl. 1917-18 (born at Hörnerkirchen Pinneberg KIA 20-1-18) Kapitulanten ship sunk by mines at Saros Bay Scholtz (Scholz) Martin Maat Eng Marine Ingenieur-Applikant (Maat) SMS Breslau (Midilli) - I. Werft-Div 1. Abtl. 1917-18 (born at Demmin KIA 20-1-18) Kapitulanten ship sunk by mines at Saros Bay These are the only two shown lost on the Breslau Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 18 October , 2020 Share Posted 18 October , 2020 I´d say, it´s ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 18 October , 2020 Share Posted 18 October , 2020 (edited) Prussian, Cheers mate Is this the same of this man lost on the Breslau Londberg Rudolf ? Marine Zahlmeister Applikant (Paymaster) Mar-Zahlmstr-Appl SMS Breslau (Midilli) - 3. Abteilung Zahlmstr-Sektion Would he be Zahlmeister Applikant (Maat) and his rank be Maat? S.B Edited 18 October , 2020 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 19 October , 2020 Share Posted 19 October , 2020 Hi Steve! Yes, they belonged to the branch of NCOs without Portepee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 19 October , 2020 Share Posted 19 October , 2020 Hi, from my collection: Marine-Ingenieur-Oberapplikant GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 19 October , 2020 Share Posted 19 October , 2020 Mates, Cheers these German ranks get me at times? S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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