Names of ten German officers Captured 14 July 1918

[stevenbecker]

Mates,

 

I notice this man give by the AWM

 

Rubitschung Otto Wilhelm Anton    VzWachtmeister Dr    Medical Cav /702nd Bn - Cav Troop (zug)  - Infanterie-Bataillon 702 post war finish mediacl traing and to Doctor    1917-18    (1894 at Pforzheim Karlsruhe died 1967) vermißt MIA possibly PoW reported WIA 14-7-18 & PoW 14-7-18 by Maj Dick 3rd ALH Regt at Abu Tellul one of 10 German officers and 348 German other ranks captured by 1st ALH Bde awarded EK II & EK I 

 

Now I checked my records, but couldn't find the names of these Ten officers or the 348 soldiers?

 

I lot has been written about this battle, but the German names are missing from the records?

 

Most of the died from this battle I have, are from 4Co/Res. Jäg. Batl. 11, and a small number from Infanterie-Bataillon 703 including the Bn Commander.

 

Most of the 10 - 348 must be from the 703rd Bn, but so far none way to confirm who they are?

 

Any ideas

 

S.B

Edited 6 October , 2020 by stevebecker

[AOK4]

Check this on the Red Cross archives: https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/2050813/901/42090/

 

(you can browse tha pages a bit looking for the wanted date.)

Edited 7 October , 2020 by AOK4

[charlie2]

Starting at record 42083 in the RC files https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/2596551/901/42083/ there are about ten pages which are showing, among others, PoWs captured on 14.7.1918. 

Jan beat me to it.

 

Charlie

[Guest]

Mates,

 

What can I say, but thank you very much.

 

There's enough there to keep me busy for a while, the one good thing about Corvid.

 

If you were close I'd buy you a beer

 

Cheers

 

S.B

 

PS

 

Sorry but what does the Rank shown as "Gem"?

 

Most German ranks have problems, but so many are shown as Gem or "I"

 

These had me beat any ideas?

Edited 8 October , 2020 by stevebecker

[AOK4]

Gemeiner = private

[Guest]

Mate,

 

Danke

 

S.B

[charlie2]

I = Infanterist, a Private

[Guest]

Mate,

 

Funny the records show these as well as there other Ranks like Msk - Musketier,  J - Jäger, Sch - Schütze, and also Pte

 

Then what about

 

KKtr Ert
 

Rt
 

F possibly Feldw

 

Ert

 

Cheers

 

S.B

 

[charlie2]

KKtr Ert = Krankenträger Ersatzrekrut - Stretcherbearer Ersatzrekrut (see below)

Rt = Reiter - Cavalryman

F = Füsilier - Fusilier

Ert = Ersatzrekrut - I don‘t think there is a British equivalent. An Ersatzrekrut was someone liable for compulsory military service who had not, for whatever reason, undergone basic training with the rest of his year but had then been called up when the Ersatzreserve was mobilised. I stand to be corrected by  one of the more knowledgable pals.

 

Charlie

 

[Guest]

Charlie,

 

Mate you are really good at this.

 

I tried to find other dates for PoWs in 1916 and 1917 in Egypt & Palestine, can you point me in the right direction to look for the names

 

Thanks for the details

 

S.B

[charlie2]

There is no easy foolproof way of finding them all. If you have the names, a search in the RC files should produce the dates of capture.

https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Search
If you don‘t have their names the casualty lists can also be searched by unit (example attached) and then cross reference the names in the RC files.

http://des.genealogy.net/eingabe-verlustlisten/search

you need to be aware that no units are given in the casualty lists from the end of 1916 till the end of the war. If you are lucky cross referencing the names in the casualty lists with the RC files will lead to a list with several name (scroll up and down to find the beginning and the end), on the other hand he might be the only one on the list.

Sometimes PoWs are listed in the post war lists of the missing 

http://des.genealogy.net/wk1vermisste/search/index

 

Hope this helps, if not I‘m happy to help you further.

Charlie

[Guest]

Charlie,

 

Yes thanks mate I have the Verlustlisten 1. Weltkrieg and check where I can for names and units.

 

I am looking at a number of battles by the ALH at some of these battles where numbers of prisoners were taken, but names and total number appear to have been confused?

 

Like at Rafa a number were taken around there 9th Jan 1917, who I can't find?

 

Becke H.    Lt    Deutsche Maschinengewehr-Abteilung der Heersgruppe F possibly OC 603rd or 608th MG Co? 601-608 Makinali tüfek bölüklerinde (601-608 In the machine gun division)     1916-17    possibly PoW 9-1-17 outside Rafa (not identifed)? 
 

Another area was at Romani around 4th Aug 1916

 

Accounts say that the German 605th MGK was captured around there?

 

Records show the commander, and his company of around 24+ men (including the Company War diary) were taken, or from what German records show as 601/08 companies or as most Ottoman and personal German records show as 601st MG Bn

 

Here are the names from all records I have found which shows most of those casualties;

 

Benkwitz von    Lt    Deutsche Maschinengewehr-Abteilung der Heersgruppe F 605th MG Co     1916-    PoW 4-8-16 at Romani  (Co strength 1 officer 24 NCO & men 74 Turks) + 21 Arabs 10 horses 52 camels for Romani operations (not identifed)? 
 

Anders II Hermann    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 602 
Beuster (Max)?    L/Gefr    Deutsche Maschinengewehr-Abteilung der Heersgruppe F 605th MG Co - shown Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 608
Beuth    Pte / Schütze    Deutsche Maschinengewehr-Abteilung der Heersgruppe F 605th MG Co 
Binarz Thomas    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 608
Bröcker Reinhold    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 601
Brünner Kurt    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 602
Claudius Otto    Unteroffizier    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 606
Clausen Karl    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Ebeling Karl    Unteroffizier    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Eckhardt Fritz    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Frey Heinrich    Pte / Schütze    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Fritsch Christian    Pte / Schütze    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 608
Galle Max    Feldwebel    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 608
Gilljohann Emil    Unteroffizier    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Haake    Pte / Schütze    Deutsche Maschinengewehr-Abteilung der Heersgruppe F 605th MG Co 
Haan Adolf    Unteroffizier    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Hansen Hans    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 606
Hermanns Johann    Pte / Schütze    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 606
Herre Wilhelm    Pte / Schütze    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 604
Hirschhorn Theodor    VzFeldwebel    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 608
Hülpüsch Emil    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Karth Emil    VzFeldwebel    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Koch I Wiegand    Unteroffizier    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Kura (Karl)?    Feldwebel    Deutsche Maschinengewehr-Abteilung der Heersgruppe F 605th MG Co 
Meyer Heinrich    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Müller Wilhelm    Pte / Schütze    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Nolte Willi    Unteroffizier    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 603
Paul Alfred    Unteroffizier    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 604
Peterek Friedrick    Pte / Schütze    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Reinhardt    Pte / Schütze    Deutsche Maschinengewehr-Abteilung der Heersgruppe F 605th MG Co 
Rimann Rudolf    Pte / Schütze    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 606
Rohde Wilhelm    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Ruhwedel Adam    VzFeldwebel    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Stolz    Pte / Schütze    Deutsche Maschinengewehr-Abteilung der Heersgruppe F 605th MG Co 
Teutsch Heinrich    Unteroffizier    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Volk Rudolf    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
Voß Hans    Gefr    Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 605
 

It nice to see what was over the hill when dealing with our (allied) records

 

S.B

Edited 10 October , 2020 by stevebecker