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Capt. T W David Welsh Regt.


Paddy 60th

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During the last few weeks of lockdown  I have been going through my collection of W.W.1 items and cataloguing them properly. One of the books I have is a copy of The Pilgrim's Guide To The Ypres Salient.

On the title page there is a name wriitten in ink - Annie F David, 4 Oakfield St, Cardiff and a date - July 1920 . At the back of the book there is a list of cemeteries in the Salient and, presumably, Annie has underlined Bard Cottage Cemetery in Boesinghe.  On looking at the cemetery records there is a grave to Capt. T W David of the Welch Regt. killed on 27th July 1917.

He is obviously a relative of Annie, perhaps husband, father, son or brother.  It looks like she may have visited the cemetery in 1920 or sometime after as she has also underlined directions in the book.  I'd love to be able to find out more and wonder if anyone has any ideas as to how to go about it.The details on the CWGC site do not give any mention of relatves unfortunately. I suppose the cemetery Register/ Visitors book for the period is still held by the CWGC and i could always approach them as Annie may have left a comment in it.

Roger

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Could be either his mother or his sister...

 

Household    Role    Sex    Age    Birthplace
George David    Head    Male    52    Pwllheli, Carnarvonshire
Annie Florence David    Wife    Female    48    Newport, Monmouthshire
George Nevile David    Son    Male    24    Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Alexander Charles Robert David    Son    Male    21    Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Thomas William David    Son    Male    19    Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Mary David    Daughter    Female    16    Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Annie Florence David    Daughter    Female    15    Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Elise Margaret David    Daughter    Female    12    Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Agnes Monica David    Daughter    Female    10    Cardiff, Glamorganshire
John Augustine David    Son    Male    7    Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Emma Jane Burton    Servant    Female    38    London Middlesex, London
Georgina Mary Evans    Servant    Female    26    St Davids Pembroke, Pembrokeshire

 

 

Mrs Annie Florence David was living at 4 Oakfield Street in a 1937 directory

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It was Mrs Annie Florence David who was the administratrix of his estate (Soldiers' Effects) - that may suggest his mother rather than his sister in that role although either could have visited..

 

Max

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Well, the CWGC records for the headstone states that the inscription  "FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH ALLELUIA! ALLELUIA! ALLELUIA! R.I.P." was ordered by M.C.R. David Esq. 117 St. Mary's Street, Cardiff.

 

117 St. Mary's Street was formerly the NatWest Bank in the main shopping street of Cardiff in those days.

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The only David I can attach to 117 St Mary Street is the brother, Alexander Charles Robert David.

 

ALEXANDER CHARLES ROBERT DAVID. 

Articled to G. N. David, of Cardiff. Joined Nov. 30, 1914, as Temp. 2nd 
Lieut. Royal Field Artillery, promoted Temp. Lieut. March 1916, A/Capt. 
Oct. to Dec. 1916, March to May 1918, and in July 1918, A/Major Jan. 1919. 
Served with 25th Division throughout while in France. Awarded the M.C. 
Served at Home Nov. 1914 to Sept. 1915, and Aug. 1917 to March 1918, and in 
France Sept. 1915 to Aug. 1917 and March 1918 to Feb. 1919. 
 

 

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12 minutes ago, IPT said:

The only David I can attach to 117 St Mary Street is the brother, Alexander Charles Robert David.

Could be a typo by CWGC M.C.R.David instead of A.C.R. David ?

It's definitely an 'M', but the typewriter is dodgy:

 

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126 Newport Road, the family home (father a solicitor, mother, 3 University students -2 at least in law, nursemaid etc), a very nice house, in a very nice area.

Wealthy middle class family.

 

Looks like George David died in late 1917:

Deaths Dec 1917   (>99%)
David  George  59  Cardiff  11a

320

 

 

and the  mother in 1946

 

Deaths Jun 1946   (>99%)
David  Annie F  84  Cardiff  11a 252

 

 

3 hours ago, IPT said:

Mrs Annie Florence David was living at 4 Oakfield Street in a 1937 directory

Literally round the corner from 126 Newport Road.

 

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6 hours ago, Paddy 60th said:

During the last few weeks of lockdown  I have been going through my collection of W.W.1 items and cataloguing them properly. One of the books I have is a copy of The Pilgrim's Guide To The Ypres Salient.

On the title page there is a name wriitten in ink - Annie F David, 4 Oakfield St, Cardiff and a date - July 1920 . At the back of the book there is a list of cemeteries in the Salient and, presumably, Annie has underlined Bard Cottage Cemetery in Boesinghe.  On looking at the cemetery records there is a grave to Capt. T W David of the Welch Regt. killed on 27th July 1917.

He is obviously a relative of Annie, perhaps husband, father, son or brother.  It looks like she may have visited the cemetery in 1920 or sometime after as she has also underlined directions in the book.  I'd love to be able to find out more and wonder if anyone has any ideas as to how to go about it.The details on the CWGC site do not give any mention of relatves unfortunately. I suppose the cemetery Register/ Visitors book for the period is still held by the CWGC and i could always approach them as Annie may have left a comment in it.

Roger

Hi Roger,

 I have a copy of "Manual of Map Reading and Field Sketching. 1912",  the front cover is dated 1914 in pencil, and inside it is signed; T.W. David, 2nd Lieu. 5th Welsh Regt."

 

On his MIC his mother, Mrs G. David applied for his medals 27/9/21.  Address given is 4 Oakfield St. 

 

His entry from De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour.

 

T.W. David. 5th Welsh.jpg

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1 hour ago, Aneurin said:

Thomas William David's photo is in the Western Mail 12 Oct. 1917 p.3. 

 

Can you post a link please?

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That's  a shame.

As far as I can see, digitized copies of the Western Mail only go up to 1900 on the Welsh Newspapers Online site

Is the Western Mail available on BNA?

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Hi,

 

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Image sourced from post #8 above

 

So he was killed just over a week after being promoted to Captain (in the war diary he is still noted as 'Lieut. T.W. DAVID' though), and less than a week after his brothers MC action. I guess that was a fortnight that the David family wouldn't forget.

 

On 07/06/2020 at 21:33, IPT said:

The only David I can attach to 117 St Mary Street is the brother, Alexander Charles Robert David.

... Awarded the M.C...

 

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Image sourced from the National Archives

 

LG 26.9.1917

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Image sourced from the National Archives

 

Deeds. LG 8.1.1918

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Image sourced from the National Archives

 

Regards

Chris

 

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1 hour ago, HarryBrook said:

It is indeed, Western Mail, 12.10.1917, from BNA via findmypast.

 

David, Capt. T. W., Western Mail 12.10.1917.JPG

Many thanks HarryBrook. 

Try as I might, I could only find written reports on FMP.   I did find a photograph on the Llanddulas and Rhyd-y-Foel Remembers website. 

 

https://www.llanddulasremembers.co.uk/captain-thomas-w-david.php

 

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1 hour ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Thanks Harry & GWF,

Yes the father was from up there wasn't he?

B. Pwllheli, Carnarvonshire  

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1 hour ago, GWF1967 said:

B. Pwllheli, Carnarvonshire  

Ah.

So why on  Llanddulas ( near Colwyn Bay)website I wonder?

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Thank you very much  everyone to the replies to my original post and sorry I haven't responded sooner. Again, the Forum has turned up trumps with the quality of information - amazing !  I can now add this to the copy of the book which personalises it.  Thanks again

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