TaurusSteve Posted 4 June , 2020 Share Posted 4 June , 2020 Hi, I'm trying to find out more about my Great Grandad's brother in WW1. I believe he was in the 15th Royal Warwickshire Regiment, and I think he was a Second Lieutenant. Any more information would be appreciated, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 4 June , 2020 Share Posted 4 June , 2020 Note the spelling of Stuart and Fraser SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 10 APRIL, 1915. 3555 The Royal Warwickshire Regiment. 15th Battalion (2nd Birmingham!) — The undermentioned to be temporary Second Lieutenants: — Roland Ivor-Gough. Dated 3rd October, 1914. Gordon Stuart Fraser Dale. Dated 12th March, 1915. His medal card can be downloaded for free from TNA HERE or From Ancestry HERE you can also download the war diary for free from the TNA during the pandemic Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 4 June , 2020 Share Posted 4 June , 2020 What you say above is correct. I can't offer much more as I no longer have a subscription to Ancestry or FMP. His medal entitlement is the 14-15 trio, first entering a theatre of war in Nov 1915 (France). As an officer he would have had to apply for his medals which he did on the 27/6/21 while he was a resident of Handsworth, Birmingham. One of the very few bonuses of the current situation is that the National Archive is waiving fees for their digitised collections so you'll probably be able to download the !5th Warwicks war diary which will give you a day by day account of their movements, being an officer he may also be named within. If his service record exists you may well find out more of the man. Local newspapers sometimes provide a few snippets (more likely if injured or killed I feel). Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 4 June , 2020 Share Posted 4 June , 2020 Relinquish commission due to ill health 10 Feb 1917 LG https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29935/page/1384 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaurusSteve Posted 5 June , 2020 Author Share Posted 5 June , 2020 Can someone tell me more about this form please. I can see his refusal to something at the bottom of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 5 June , 2020 Admin Share Posted 5 June , 2020 There are Disability / Retirement payment records for him on FMP here and here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 5 June , 2020 Share Posted 5 June , 2020 I think the document above relates to the Silver War Badge but I'm not sure about the "refusal list" part. If injury or illness forced him to leave then surely he would be entitled to it. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaurusSteve Posted 5 June , 2020 Author Share Posted 5 June , 2020 9 minutes ago, mancpal said: I think the document above relates to the Silver War Badge but I'm not sure about the "refusal list" part. If injury or illness forced him to leave then surely he would be entitled to it. Simon Hmm I wonder how he was injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 5 June , 2020 Share Posted 5 June , 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, ForeignGong said: Relinquish commission due to ill health 10 Feb 1917 LG https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29935/page/1384 24 minutes ago, TaurusSteve said: Hmm I wonder how he was injured? There is no mention on the SWB document that he was injured as ForeignGongs post he "Relinquish commission due to ill health" I assume the a cause of his illness was not attributable to his military service hence the refusal of a SWB Edited 5 June , 2020 by RaySearching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 5 June , 2020 Share Posted 5 June , 2020 That makes more sense. Would this mean after relinquishment he stayed in the army at a lower rank or left completely. I mistakenly thought that if he had been caused to leave through illness he would have received a badge because its unlikely he created the debility purposely. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 5 June , 2020 Share Posted 5 June , 2020 There are now available from WFA/Fold3 two Officer's Pension Card [widow] Case OA 878 Widow: Vera Gertrude Dale [on one card there is an initialled date of 6.3.67 - which might suggest an approx. date for her death] :-) M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 5 June , 2020 Share Posted 5 June , 2020 (edited) Gordon Stuart Fraser Dale died at Dudley Road Hospital on the 8th Jan 1967 (born 1893) Probate was granted to his widow Vera Gertrude Dale on the 1st March 1967 The date 6th March 1967 will be the date that the ministry of pensions received a claim from his widow, for a widows pension His widow Vera Gertrude Dale died on the 6th July 1992 (born 1909) Ray Edited 5 June , 2020 by RaySearching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 5 June , 2020 Share Posted 5 June , 2020 4 hours ago, Matlock1418 said: [on one card there is an initialled date of 6.3.67 - which might suggest an approx. date for her death] I did say might as often it seems an OR's widow date of death [or thereabouts] is recorded 44 minutes ago, RaySearching said: Gordon Stuart Fraser Dale died at Dudley Road Hospital on the 8th Jan 1967 (born 1893) Probate was granted to his widow Vera Gertrude Dale on the 1st March 1967 The date 6th March 1967 will be the date that the ministry of pensions received a claim from his widow, for a widows pension This seems a much more plausible explanation now. :-) M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaurusSteve Posted 5 June , 2020 Author Share Posted 5 June , 2020 Is it possible to find out which battles he was in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 5 June , 2020 Share Posted 5 June , 2020 11 minutes ago, TaurusSteve said: Is it possible to find out which battles he was in? Download the 15 Warwicks war diary as suggested in post 2 and 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaurusSteve Posted 5 June , 2020 Author Share Posted 5 June , 2020 (edited) Found this! " 2/Lieut Dale sent in a note that he was installed in a German trench, 50 yards or more to the right of Captain Davidson, firing on German Bombing Party. This officer returned later on, gallantly saving hid two guns and bringing in an extra tripod he had found." Wow that must be him. From the book"Slaughter On The Somme". Edited 5 June , 2020 by TaurusSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 5 June , 2020 Share Posted 5 June , 2020 Have not read it but this book comes highly recommended Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaurusSteve Posted 6 June , 2020 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2020 23 hours ago, TaurusSteve said: Found this! " 2/Lieut Dale sent in a note that he was installed in a German trench, 50 yards or more to the right of Captain Davidson, firing on German Bombing Party. This officer returned later on, gallantly saving hid two guns and bringing in an extra tripod he had found." Wow that must be him. From the book"Slaughter On The Somme". So this is possibly him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 I don't think the 15th Warwicks were part of the advance on the 1st day of the Battle of the Somme but were later involved in a subsidiary attack on High Wood please post the page number of the entry in the book you have quoted Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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