emrezmen Posted 20 May , 2020 Share Posted 20 May , 2020 (edited) For anyone interested, Turkish official histories (Mesopotamia-Persia, Sinai-Palestine, Gallipoli, Caucasus, Galicia, Romania, Macedonia/Salonika, Hejaz-Asir-Yemen, Naval and Air Operations and Administration & Logistics) are now available for download at https://www.msb.gov.tr/ArsivAskeriTarih/icerik/birinci-dunya-harbi-serisi They are all in Turkish but at least all very rich in maps, tables, etc. The first volume of Mesopotamia is missing in the list. I guess they will fix it up later. Direct links to PDF files: Mesopotamia-Persia (vol 2 -after Kut- only): https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/62- bdh_iran_irak_cephe_1914-1918.pdf Sinai-Palestine: vol 1 (from start of the war to 2nd Gaza): https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/115-birinci_dunya_harbi_sina_filistin_harbin_baslangici_ikinci_gazze_sonunakadar.pdf vol 2: (from 2nd Gaza to end of the war): https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/birinci_dunya_harbi_sina_filistin_harbin_baslangici_ikinci_gazze_sonunakadar-c4-k2.pdf Caucasus (2nd Army Operations): https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/114-Birinci_Dunya_Harbinde_Kafkas_Cephesi.pdf Caucasus (3rd Army Operations): vol 1: https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/120-birinci_dunya_turk_harbi_kafkas_ucuncu_ordu (1).pdf vol 2: https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/121-birinci_dunya_turk_harbi_kafkas_ucuncu_ordu (2).pdf Gallipoli (summarised edition of three volumes): https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/Birinci_Dunya_Harbinde_Canakkale_Cephesi_Harekati_Ozetlenmis_Tarih.pdf Hejaz-Asir-Yemen: https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/113-Birinci_Dunya_Harbinde_Yemen_Cephesi.pdf Galicia: https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/108-birinci_dunya_harbi_avrupa_cepheleri_galicya_cephesi.pdfRomania: https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/109-birinci_dunya_harbi_avrupa_cepheleri_romanya_cephesi.pdf Salonika/Macedonia: https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/110-birinci_dunya_harbi_avrupa_cepheleri_makedonya_cephesi.pdf Air Operations: https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/111-Birinci_Dunya_Harbinde_Turk_Hava_Harekati.pdf Naval Operations: https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/112-Birinci_Dunya_Harbinde_Turk_Deniz_Harekati.pdf Administration and Logistics: https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/117-turk_silahli_kuvvetleri_tarihi_osmanli_devri_idari_lojistik.pdf Emre Edited 12 June , 2020 by emrezmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartH Posted 20 May , 2020 Share Posted 20 May , 2020 Emre, thank you much needed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3rn Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 Damn, site is down! "Millî Savunma Bakanlığı sayfasında güncelleme yapılmaktadır. Lütfen daha sonra tekrar deneyiniz." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 Site is back up for me. Google Translate English version of website mentioned in post 1. https://translate.google.com.au/translate?sl=tr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msb.gov.tr%2FArsivAskeriTarih%2Ficerik%2Fbirinci-dunya-harbi-serisi Possibly the "missing" volumes have now been added? 19 Birinci Dünya Harbinde Türk Harbi, Sina-Filistin Cephesi, Harbin Başlangıcından İkinci Gazze Muherebeleri Sonuna Kadar C.4 Ks.1 19 From the Beginning of the War to the End of the Second Gaza Battalions, the Turkish War, the Sinai-Palestinian Front, in the First World War C.4 Ks.1 20 Birinci Dünya Harbinde Türk Harbi, Irak-İran Cephesi (1914-1918) III Cilt 20 Turkish War in the First World War, Iraqi-Iran Front (1914-1918) III Volume Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3rn Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 Brilliant, and cheers Maureene. I got the email notification, and am downloading. Emre, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 Emre, Thank you very much indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johntaylor Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 Many thanks for these links Emre. As a slight aside, I wonder if the UK is now the only country whose official histories still aren't available online (apart from the digitised copies kindly provided by India)? All the best, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartH Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 Many are online check here Click here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 22 May , 2020 Share Posted 22 May , 2020 12 hours ago, johntaylor said: As a slight aside, I wonder if the UK is now the only country whose official histories still aren't available online (apart from the digitised copies kindly provided by India)? All the links with the link provided by MartH are to books digitised originally by the Digital Library of India (now no longer functioning, but some files were uploaded to the Internet Archive (Archive.org) ) or American or Canadian Universities which have been digitised by Archive.org or Google Books. Possibly there are copyright considerations with some editions, but even those volumes that were published by HM Stationery Office, and are certainly out of copyright, I have never seen digitised by any UK institution/body, whether Government or University. Not only do institutions such as the British Library appear stripped of funds (a dispirited staff member told me years ago that nothing was digitised by the British Library unless someone else paid for it), I do not believe there is any interest in digitisation by UK institutions in general. Presumably the British Army provides nothing on its website because no one has thought it worthwhile. From a cost point of view, if Turkey can afford to do, you would think the British Army could also afford to digitise the relatively few volumes of the Official Histories (but perhaps not?) Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteStarLine Posted 22 May , 2020 Share Posted 22 May , 2020 6 hours ago, MartH said: Many are online check here Click here. @MartH that is a brilliant link - thanks so much for posting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsim Posted 22 May , 2020 Share Posted 22 May , 2020 Fantastic thanks very much Emre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartH Posted 22 May , 2020 Share Posted 22 May , 2020 7 hours ago, Maureene said: All the links with the link provided by MartH are to books digitised originally by the Digital Library of India (now no longer functioning, but some files were uploaded to the Internet Archive (Archive.org) ) or American or Canadian Universities which have been digitised by Archive.org or Google Books. Possibly there are copyright considerations with some editions, but even those volumes that were published by HM Stationery Office, and are certainly out of copyright, I have never seen digitised by any UK institution/body, whether Government or University. Not only do institutions such as the British Library appear stripped of funds (a dispirited staff member told me years ago that nothing was digitised by the British Library unless someone else paid for it), I do not believe there is any interest in digitisation by UK institutions in general. Presumably the British Army provides nothing on its website because no one has thought it worthwhile. From a cost point of view, if Turkey can afford to do, you would think the British Army could also afford to digitise the relatively few volumes of the Official Histories (but perhaps not?) Cheers Maureen As I understand it the Military ones are Digital India but the Naval , Air, and Medical are other libraries. I too can think of no UK institutions who have digitised any except the Welcome library and they even have draft copies! The centenary should have seen all these digitised plus the draft copies. Its a disgrace it has not. The qla has digitised some of the volumes relating to Persia like the Official History. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Dunlop Posted 23 May , 2020 Share Posted 23 May , 2020 Thank you very much, Emre. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 24 May , 2020 Share Posted 24 May , 2020 The Turkish Official Histories for Palestine etc are discussed in "Wasp or Mosquito? The Arab Revolt in Turkish Military History" by Edward J. Erickson British Journal for Military History, Volume 4, Issue 3, July 2018 http://bjmh.gold.ac.uk/article/download/806/928/ A download to your computer. If you have access to Jstor though a Library 'The Turkish Official Military Histories of the First World War: A Bibliographic Essay' by Edward J. Erickson Middle Eastern Studies Vol. 39, No. 3 (Jul., 2003), pp. 190-198 https://www.jstor.org/stable/4284313 first page is free otherwise Edward J. Erickson also wrote books based on Turkish sources , one of which is Palestine: The Ottoman Campaigns of 1914–1918 by Edward J. Erickson https://books.google.com.au/books?id=c7x6DQAAQBAJ&pg=PP1. Sample pages Google Books Not an official history, but I am mentioning the following book in this topic, because it is written in the Turkish language (and probably not covered in the official histories) Kralın Esir Askerleri (I. Dünya Savaşı'nda Anadolu'daki İngiliz Esirleri ve Esir Kampları) by Mahmut Akkor. January 2019 Google translate title King's Prisoner Soldiers (British Prisoners and Prison Camps in Anatolia during the First World War) There is a book cover, and an abstract in Turkish in https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331787111_Kralin_Esir_Askerleri_I_Dunya_Savasi'nda_Anadolu'daki_Ingiliz_Esirleri_ve_Esir_Kamplari (you can use Google Translate https://translate.google.com.au/#view=home&op=translate&sl=tr&tl=en for the abstract ) Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johntaylor Posted 25 May , 2020 Share Posted 25 May , 2020 (edited) On 21/05/2020 at 22:48, MartH said: Many are online check here Click here. Hi, it's great that some of the UK histories are available, but my point was that they were mostly provided by the Digital Library of India, plus one or two US and Canadian institutions.I completely agree with the points made by Maureen and Mart. However I don't want to distract from the main point of the thread, which is to thank Emre (and Maureen) for highlighting the fascinating material available from Turkey, which I was completely unaware of. All the best, John Edited 25 May , 2020 by johntaylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix C Posted 11 June , 2020 Share Posted 11 June , 2020 The list and links posted by the OP should go into our reference section as a sticky along with the other digital Official Histories. Anyone know how to reach a moderator/administrator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 12 June , 2020 Share Posted 12 June , 2020 (edited) Hello! Thanx a lot for the list! Great!!!!!! Çok teşekkürler The problem is, the translators from turkish into german don´t work very well... It´s mostly senseless stuff. I will try to translate into english; hope it works better Edited 12 June , 2020 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emrezmen Posted 12 June , 2020 Author Share Posted 12 June , 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Felix C said: The list and links posted by the OP should go into our reference section as a sticky along with the other digital Official Histories. Anyone know how to reach a moderator/administrator? That's a better idea. I didn't notice Virtual Library section in the beginning. 6 hours ago, The Prussian said: The problem is, the translators from turkish into german don´t work very well... It´s mostly senseless stuff. I will try to translate into english; hope it works better Tur-Eng works considerably well. BTW - Second volume of Sinai-Palestine (from 2nd Gaza to end of the war) is now added. Edited 12 June , 2020 by emrezmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 13 June , 2020 Share Posted 13 June , 2020 Thanks for the info, mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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