Gardenerbill Posted 22 March , 2020 Share Posted 22 March , 2020 A pair of German honour goblets on the Antiques road show tinight if anyone is intersted. Valued at £10,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 22 March , 2020 Share Posted 22 March , 2020 (edited) Nice pieces. Said to the wife they were Ehrenpokal. Expert said they were Honour Goblets. She glazed over. I'm quite happy in my world of militaria's splendid isolation nevertheless. I did think they were only a WW2 item. Didn't know WW1 pilots got them. Dave Edited 22 March , 2020 by depaor01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 22 March , 2020 Share Posted 22 March , 2020 It was also stated that if they had been named they would have been worth £15,000 each. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 Officially, they are called Ehrenbecher (für den Sieger im Luftkampfe). There is a version in silver and one in iron (late war). An iron one can be bought for less than 8,500 Euros, the one in silver costs a bit more. They are never named (engraved), there was a paper award document coming with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healdav Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 11 hours ago, MikeyH said: It was also stated that if they had been named they would have been worth £15,000 each. Mike. Actually, he said that if they could be connected to a named pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekb Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 I would also like to comment on the very nice rampart/wall gun, the expert failed to mention that it was an East India Company piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulkheader Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 10 minutes ago, derekb said: I would also like to comment on the very nice rampart/wall gun, the expert failed to mention that it was an East India Company piece. Rather fancied that myself, and for once I think they actually under valued something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 12 hours ago, AOK4 said: They are never named (engraved), there was a paper award document coming with them. as with collecting WW2 German medals, the value is in the paperwork, medals being made anywhere in Eastern Europe and of different standards , not being engraved the only real medals have makers mark stamped on the rings but could be faked, presumably its not as easy to fake paperwork. Having said that, British WW2 are worth more with boxes, tickertape etc but the paper certificates are often seen faked on ebay in an attempt to increase value. At least the majority of WW1 Commonwealth and WW2 South African and Australian medals are named..apart from the unwanted renamed and erased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekb Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 1 hour ago, caulkheader said: Rather fancied that myself, and for once I think they actually under valued something! Totally agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikB Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 On 23/03/2020 at 18:49, derekb said: Totally agree! I thought so too. But I also thought he overestimated the effective range at 400 yards. With an unrifled barrel whose round, straight and parallel condition might've been debatable from new, and a ball with a clearance fit to allow reloading in a fouled bore, a whole barn would be probably only receive random hits at such a distance, never mind a barn door; or the skills of the shooter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healdav Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 20 hours ago, MikB said: I thought so too. But I also thought he overestimated the effective range at 400 yards. With an unrifled barrel whose round, straight and parallel condition might've been debatable from new, and a ball with a clearance fit to allow reloading in a fouled bore, a whole barn would be probably only receive random hits at such a distance, never mind a barn door; or the skills of the shooter... I discovered some time ago, that in the days of the musket, there was no order 'aim'. It was 'level'. You couldn't aim at anything more than about 30 yards away. That was an infantryman's musket, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Beale Posted 4 April , 2020 Share Posted 4 April , 2020 On 23/03/2020 at 04:45, AOK4 said: They are never named (engraved), there was a paper award document coming with them. Interesting given that they did engrave Second World War ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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