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Patrick Mcdonnell #4239 Leinster


Philly vaughan

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Hi guys, I'm new here.. my great gran uncle was killed in guillemont on 23rd august 1916.. Patrick mcdonnell.. he was 20.. he served in the 2nd battalion of leinster.. I've downloaded his medical card.. lots of numbers and stuff I can really understand.. was wondering have he any tips or websites that would be of help in finding out more about him.. delighted to have found this site.. it's great to get an idea of what these poor men were facing and hear stories too from the front馃槂聽 thanks guys

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Welcome to the Forum

Have you looked at The Long Long Trail website - a link to which is at the top of the page?

Once you have done that you can come back and ask any specific questions you might have.

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1 minute ago, Polar Bear said:

Welcome to the Forum

Have you looked at The Long Long Trail website - a link to which is at the top of the page?

Once you have done that you can come back and ask any specific questions you might have.

Thanks polar bear馃槂

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Guess its this chap

Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment (Royal Canadians) - 2nd Battalion

McDONNELL Patrick 20 Navan Co. Meath Ireland Drogheda, Co. Louth聽

4239

Private

Killed in Action

France & Flanders

23/08/1916

Son of Elizabeth Mcdonnell, of Old Cornmarket, Navan, Co. Meath, and the Late John Mcdonnell.

73rd Brigade / 24th聽Division

Early August聽: Happy Valley.

8th August-Mid August聽: Carnoy area. Works between Tr么nes Wood and Bernafay Wood.

18th August聽: Attack on Guillemont (in support).

20th August : Carnoy. Works in Tr么nes Wood.

23rd-26th August聽: In front line between Tr么nes Wood and Guillemont.

Peronne Road, Cemetery

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6 minutes ago, johnmelling1979 said:

Guess its this chap

Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment (Royal Canadians) - 2nd Battalion

McDONNELL Patrick 20 Navan Co. Meath Ireland Drogheda, Co. Louth聽

4239

Private

Killed in Action

France & Flanders

23/08/1916

Son of Elizabeth Mcdonnell, of Old Cornmarket, Navan, Co. Meath, and the Late John Mcdonnell.

73rd Brigade / 24th聽Division

Early August聽: Happy Valley.

8th August-Mid August聽: Carnoy area. Works between Tr么nes Wood and Bernafay Wood.

18th August聽: Attack on Guillemont (in support).

20th August : Carnoy. Works in Tr么nes Wood.

23rd-26th August聽: In front line between Tr么nes Wood and Guillemont.

Peronne Road, Cemetery

Wow馃槂 yeah that's him, I just had his number and family details and seen where he died.. your so good to share.. I can have a look at all these areas for the times.. we have photo of 3 men in uniform from guillemont, we dont know whis in it.. but will put the up later.. thank you so much john for this info馃槂

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A map to show the area聽

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Just now, johnmelling1979 said:

A map to show the area聽

2024725474_Phillyvaughan.jpg.703fd695710b870939b3f7c56cb7b82b.jpg

Cool馃槂 was just looking up some bits on the long long trail website.. so much info on it.. thanks again for looking him up馃憤

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Welcome to GWF

From his pension record. courtesy of the Western Front Association and Ancestry (Fold3)聽[2 x ledger records], we can see that his mother Elizabeth was born 1869.

As well as the Naven, Co. Meath address she also lived at 1 Moores Lane, Enderley, Leicestershire [believed to probably be Enderby] c.1925-1931 [when the pension record stops - might suggest she died, but would need checking]

:-) M

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Photo of his CWGC headstone at The War Graves Photographic Project聽https://www.twgpp.org/photograph/view/3973964

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  • ss002d6252 changed the title to Patrick Mcdonnell #4239 Leinster

#4239 was transferred from no6 General Hospital Rouen to England with a GSW Leg on 12 May 1915 - at that point he was 1st battalion.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007306664%2F00268&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2FSUPP%2F137991
and the hospital register for the same incident
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBM%2FMH106%2FMH106-299%2F0026&parentid=GBM%2FMH106%2F217071

Craig

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Ive been trying to look for the August 1916 war diary page! seem to be missing so far.

31 July, They marched off to VAUX

Gap in the diary, No August diary found YET !

7 days after Patrick聽 McDONNELL聽 is killed ! but still very close the area Patrick聽 McDONNELL was in -

1st September at front line at Longueval trying to attack the area聽 WOOD LANE and ORCHARD TRENCH

John

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33 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Welcome to GWF

From his pension record. courtesy of the Western Front Association and Ancestry (Fold3)聽[2 x ledger records], we can see that his mother Elizabeth was born 1869.

As well as the Naven, Co. Meath address she also lived at 1 Moores Lane, Enderley, Leicestershire [believed to probably be Enderby] c.1925-1931 [when the pension record stops - might suggest she died, but would need checking]

:-) M

Wow馃槂 didnt know that either as the family still live in the house.. will have to look more into it, I think some of them went to england.. it's so great to get all this info, ye are all great to search and help馃槂 thank you

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I sure more stuff will be found聽:thumbsup:

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8 minutes ago, johnmelling1979 said:

Ive been trying to look for the August 1916 war diary page! seem to be missing so far.

31 July, They marched off to VAUX

Gap in the diary, No August diary found YET !

7 days after Patrick聽 McDONNELL聽 is killed ! but still very close the area Patrick聽 McDONNELL was in -

1st September at front line at Longueval trying to attack the area聽 WOOD LANE and ORCHARD TRENCH

Thanks again john馃槂馃憤

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Found a book for you to read聽:thumbsup: should be on the pages\ and date you need! Interesting to read too

And could be evidence of how your聽Patrick聽 McDONNELL in the descripton聽:D hint hint

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AX--BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA238&lpg=PA238&dq=23rd+august+1916+Prince+of+Wales's+Leinster+Regiment&source=bl&ots=Viu05c78O9&sig=ACfU3U3BCV2v-t_Jle6PJGNG4OdiLYbROg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGicaPzY3oAhXpaRUIHdAOCfU4ChDoATACegQIChAB

John

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1 hour ago, Matlock1418 said:

Welcome to GWF

From his pension record. courtesy of the Western Front Association and Ancestry (Fold3)聽[2 x ledger records], we can see that his mother Elizabeth was born 1869.

As well as the Naven, Co. Meath address she also lived at 1 Moores Lane, Enderley, Leicestershire [believed to probably be Enderby] c.1925-1931 [when the pension record stops - might suggest she died, but would need checking]

:-) M

Edit:

Photo of his CWGC headstone at The War Graves Photographic Project聽https://www.twgpp.org/photograph/view/3973964

Thanks again馃槂

1 hour ago, johnmelling1979 said:

Ive been trying to look for the August 1916 war diary page! seem to be missing so far.

31 July, They marched off to VAUX

Gap in the diary, No August diary found YET !

7 days after Patrick聽 McDONNELL聽 is killed ! but still very close the area Patrick聽 McDONNELL was in -

1st September at front line at Longueval trying to attack the area聽 WOOD LANE and ORCHARD TRENCH

John

Thanks again john馃憤

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1 hour ago, johnmelling1979 said:

Found a book for you to read聽:thumbsup: should be on the pages\ and date you need! Interesting to read too

And could be evidence of how your聽Patrick聽 McDONNELL in the descripton聽:D hint hint

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AX--BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA238&lpg=PA238&dq=23rd+august+1916+Prince+of+Wales's+Leinster+Regiment&source=bl&ots=Viu05c78O9&sig=ACfU3U3BCV2v-t_Jle6PJGNG4OdiLYbROg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGicaPzY3oAhXpaRUIHdAOCfU4ChDoATACegQIChAB

John

I'd say he's one of the two lads alright, we got contacted years ago by a guy who's dad was a stretcher bearer and he said patrick and another lynch man were killed at the same time.. Very hard reading, brilliantly described, but so hard to think of the fear they must have had馃槩 thanks for sharing馃槂

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Well I'm so glad I managed to find more evidence for you to look at.

Glad its all starting to tie in..

You still have plenty more to explore as well聽

I could not find the August war diary page (Must be one somewhere )when I looked earlier... which is why I tried

looking for the regiment book for you. As they are a great source of information聽

Glad I found it for you

John

Nice one Jervis he's found the headstone:D:thumbsup:

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McDonnell鈥檚 death is mentioned in Francis Hitchcock鈥檚 memoir 鈥榮tand to鈥. Page 148 23 Aug 1916.聽

The Leinsters were on the way to the front line late evening to carry out a relief when they were shelled near 鈥楽tanley dump鈥.聽

鈥淥ne she鈥檒l burst right beside me, and Sgt聽Henry was wounded. Two fine old toughs were killed instantly, 4807 Pte Lynch a reservist who has been with the Battalion since 14 and 4238 (sic) Pte McDonnell, another fine type.鈥

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14 minutes ago, johnmelling1979 said:

Well I'm so glad I managed to find more evidence for you to look at.

Glad its all starting to tie in..

You still have plenty more to explore as well聽

I could not find the August war diary page (Must be one somewhere )when I looked earlier... which is why I tried

looking for the regiment book for you. As they are a great source of information聽

Glad I found it for you

John

Nice one Jervis he's found the headstone:D:thumbsup:

Your so good.. great to hear anything to do with him and his regiment.. thank you so much, I've been sharing all the stuff with my mum and shes delighted too馃槂 thanks again for all ye're help

19 minutes ago, Jervis said:

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Thanks Jarvis, great to get a glimpse of this馃槂

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10 minutes ago, Jervis said:

McDonnell鈥檚 death is mentioned in Francis Hitchcock鈥檚 memoir 鈥榮tand to鈥. Page 148 23 Aug 1916.聽

The Leinsters were on the way to the front line late evening to carry out a relief when they were shelled near 鈥楽tanley dump鈥.聽

鈥淥ne she鈥檒l burst right beside me, and Sgt聽Henry was wounded. Two fine old toughs were killed instantly, 4807 Pte Lynch a reservist who has been with the Battalion since 14 and 4238 (sic) Pte McDonnell, another fine type.鈥

I've bought this book yesterday.. should have it in the next day or so.. looking forward to reading it.. thanks again jarvis馃槂

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Oh if its for the mum then its got to be a full on presentation for her:thumbsup::wacko::rolleyes:

1 minute ago, Philly vaughan said:

I've bought this book yesterday.. should have it in the next day or so.. looking forward to reading it.. thanks again jarvis馃槂

2 books with first hand evidence... brilliant:thumbsup:

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1 minute ago, johnmelling1979 said:

Oh if its for the mum then its got to be a full on presentation for her:thumbsup::wacko::rolleyes:

馃ぃ馃槂 gonna do up a little booklet with all in it for all the relations, know they'd love to gear all about him.. just found it hard to keep quiet when I started seeing all the cool stuff馃ぃ馃ぃ

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2 hours ago, ss002d6252 said:

#4239 was transferred from no6 General Hospital Rouen to England with a GSW Leg on 12 May 1915 - at that point he was 1st battalion.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007306664%2F00268&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2FSUPP%2F137991
and the hospital register for the same incident
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBM%2FMH106%2FMH106-299%2F0026&parentid=GBM%2FMH106%2F217071

Craig

Only seen this now craig馃槂 thanks for that really interesting yet are all such a great help馃槂

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4 hours ago, Philly vaughan said:

Wow馃槂 yeah that's him, I just had his number and family details and seen where he died.. your so good to share.. I can have a look at all these areas for the times.. we have photo of 3 men in uniform from guillemont, we dont know whis in it.. but will put the up later.. thank you so much john for this info馃槂


Hi Philly,聽

Could I ask you to post the photo or PM it to me please?聽My great grandfather served in same battalion and was wounded in Guillemont. I have an interest in Battalion in general and聽I would be very interested in viewing the photos.聽

thanks Jervis

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