B Todd Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 My great grandfather, Harry Newman was born in Brighton in 1868. He married Bessie Hallett on 9th October 1917 (his second marriage). He said his occupation was storekeeper. When a son Harry Sidney was born in the summer of 1918 Harry put his occupation down as soldier formerly vanman. I cannot find out why at the age of 50 he became a soldier and what he did. Just wondered if anyone can help me with this. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 (edited) Hello Just found the marriage certificate for Harry Newman and Bessie Hallett. It actually says he is 40 so born in 1877 and not age 50 as you mentioned. and she was 26 Was he previously married to a Annie Alice Hallett in 1906 in Dorset as he is 28 then Do you have any clues at all to military service? John Edited 6 March , 2020 by johnmelling1979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Todd Posted 6 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2020 All correct apart from his age. I have a copy of his birth certificate and it is definitely 15th October 1868. It seems my family generally have a problem with age! I have no idea of his military service unfortunately. Thanks for taking the time to look into it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 Hi, I see that at the time of the marriage Harry was living in Weymouth. If there's a Dorset address on the birth certificate for Harry Sidney, you might be able to pick Harry (snr) up on the Dorset AVLs that Findmypast have - link. I didn't see him though. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 27 minutes ago, clk said: Hi, I see that at the time of the marriage Harry was living in Weymouth. If there's a Dorset address on the birth certificate for Harry Sidney, you might be able to pick Harry (snr) up on the Dorset AVLs that Findmypast have - link. I didn't see him though. Regards Chris Worth a try With out more Military clues, its clutching at straws Ancestry.co.uk is not bringing up anything more that the marriage certs and censuses And too many Harry Newmans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 It looks as though Annie and Bessie were sisters as father's name is the same. Maintained birth date for those two weddings as well. Strange. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Todd Posted 6 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2020 Annie and Bessie were cousins and Harry didn't hang around to marry again!! The address was 3 Quiet Place, Melcombe Regis, Weymouth, Dorset. Thanks again for trying to help. I do realise it is not easy and I had checked out ancestry with no luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 Cousins-despite father's name and profession the same on both register entries or have I read them wrong? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 Is this Matthew Newman 41 Elizabeth I Newman 30 Matthew Newman 13 Susey Newman 10 Edmund F Newman 5 Elizabeth A Newman 3 Harry Newman 2 Harry as the youngest with his siblings, mother and father? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Todd Posted 6 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2020 Thanks George. I will check but I was sure Annie's father was William and Bessie's father was Bernard. Matthew and Elizabeth were Harry's parents. Matthew, Susie and Edmund were children from Matthew's previous marriage so Harry's step brothers/sister. Brenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 Yes sorry think you are correct. But both cutlers which is what put me off. George I expect you have seen his entry on 1871 census then? Name: Harry Newman Age: 2 Estimated birth year: 1869 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Brighton Sussex England Civil Parish: Portslade Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Sussex George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 And a third wife in 1891? Name: Harry Newman Gender: Male Age: 23 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1868 Spouse: Laura Newman Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Brighton Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew Residence Place: Brighton, Sussex, England Registration district: Brighton Sub registration district: St Peter courtesy Ancestry George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 March , 2020 Share Posted 6 March , 2020 Or still in Ipswich from 1881 census. This in 1891 return Name: Harry Newman Gender: Male Age: 21 Relationship: Boarder Birth Year: 1870 Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret Residence Place: Ipswich, St Margaret, Suffolk, England Registration district: Ipswich George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Todd Posted 7 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 7 March , 2020 I have worked on the second 1891 census i.e. still in Ipswich as a barman. His stepmother Eliza owned a beerhouse so that's why it fitted. In the 1901 census he is in Weymouth. I will just check out the Laura Newman scenario - best to be sure. thank you so much for taking the time to look this up for me. All very helpful. But his being a soldier in 1918 remains a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Todd Posted 17 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 17 March , 2020 Have found out a bit more about Harry Newman. There was no connection with Laura in Brighton. I found a record for the Pension Record Ledger. Date of birth recorded as 1871. Discharged with a disability on 3.12.1918. Service no: T/407547. He was a Private in the ASC (Army). HIs wife Annie had died in 1917 and later that year he married Bessie. Not sure if anyone can give me any more information but if they can it would be brilliant. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travers61 Posted 18 March , 2020 Share Posted 18 March , 2020 The T in front of his corps number shows he served in the Horsed Transport part of the ASC. He would have been used to horses in his civvie occupation as a vanman. More info on the ASC Horsed Transport here: https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-army-service-corps-in-the-first-world-war/ I could not find a medal roll index card or entry in the medal rolls, so possibly home service only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Todd Posted 18 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 March , 2020 Many thanks for this. At one time he was also a coachman so as you say used to horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travers61 Posted 18 March , 2020 Share Posted 18 March , 2020 As discharged with a disability I checked the Silver War Badge Records: T/4070547 Pte NEWMAN, Harry RASC enlisted 18.4.18 discharged 3.12.18 Reason Sickness KR para 392 xvi no overseas service Silver war badge no 521705 https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=Hue5&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=2456&gsfn=harry&gsln=newman&cp=0&_F4E2F07A=407547&new=1&rank=1&uidh=5eb&redir=false&gss=angs-d&pcat=39&fh=0&h=818913&recoff=&ml_rpos=1&queryId=3d57c6a97cf4ec11184f9dd0fe72eb82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Todd Posted 18 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 March , 2020 Brilliant. Thank you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travers61 Posted 19 March , 2020 Share Posted 19 March , 2020 By the winter of 1917/18 the British army was suffering a manpower crisis, and as well as reorganising the army in France into fewer battalions, this & the German Spring Offensive started in March 1918, was the cause of the Military conscription act being amended in April 1918 to increase the upper age of recruits from 40 to 50 (56 for some). Also men were sent overseas aged 18y 6m (prev 19 min) & men of lower medical grades such as B went abroad. By his home service your great grandfather released another man for service abroad. https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/battles/the-british-armys-manpower-crisis-of-1918/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Todd Posted 24 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 March , 2020 That is so interesting. Thank you for letting me know. Harry has an amazing story. But he was a bit of a lad!! I am just starting to research his father, Matthew and it is a bit like father, like son!! Thanks again and keep safe. Brenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly000 Posted 19 March , 2021 Share Posted 19 March , 2021 Hi I'm new to this forum, but I am doing some family tree research. I'm almost certain that Harry Newman is also my great grandfather. While he was married to Bessie Hallett, they has 2 children. Eva Gladys Newman(my grandmother) 1916-1998 and Harry Sidney(Sid) who died in 2003 in Great Yarmouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Todd Posted 20 March , 2021 Author Share Posted 20 March , 2021 Looks as though you are right. My grandmother was Lucy Newman - Sid's half sister. This was on my Dad's side. I have been doing family tree stories and have completed them for Lucy and Harry and Harry's father Matthew Newman. I have a couple of photos of Harry. I was very fond of Sid and he visited Weymouth where I lived every summer. I also visited him once in Norfolk. Bessie was Harry's first wife's cousin. I am putting in 2 photos - one of Harry and one of Sid and Lucy. Hope you like them. It would be great to be able to send the stories to you but not sure how I can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly000 Posted 20 March , 2021 Share Posted 20 March , 2021 Hi Brenda. Fantastic! Thanks for the photos. I remember my nan going to visit Sid & his wife Nancy. I think they didn't see each other for many years, but got back in touch with each other. I am on ancestry.co.uk, don't know if you can share the stories that way. My email address is chilly@achilcott.co.uk if that helps. Any information on Harry would be great. All the best Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly000 Posted 20 March , 2021 Share Posted 20 March , 2021 This is Sids sister (my nan) Eva Gladys Chilcott née Newman with my Grandad and my dad Anthony Ronald Chilcott & sister Margaret. I thought my nan looked similar to Lucy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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