steve140968 Posted 3 February , 2005 Share Posted 3 February , 2005 Lets have another go ! After looking on e-bay / speedbid etc i have noticed some regiments medals seem far more collectable than others . Can someone please give me a guide as to which are the least and most saught after , thanks . Steve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 3 February , 2005 Share Posted 3 February , 2005 Lets have another go ! After looking on e-bay / speedbid etc i have noticed some regiments medals seem far more collectable than others . Can someone please give me a guide as to which are the least and most saught after , I could but then I'd have to............! Some regiments are more eagerly sought after due to a number of reasons,for instance,Size ,& number of Battalions,Numbers awarded,Actions involved in,Historical Interest & Importance,ie "Glamourous Regiments",It would not be prudent to advise which are and which aren't the most sought after,not wanting to "Queer the Pitch" of Myself & other Collectors,but a simple excercise in Auction watching Will soon give you the information you seek!suffice to say that in general terms Corps Medals tend to be less in Demand{initially as there are more of them} than Line Regiments; & Cavalry & Special Units,are more eagerly sought,than Line Regiments,but there are always examples that disprove this basic theory,'nuff to say that Medals should not be collected for Financial Gain,but to preserve the Memory of those who wore them,or didnt have the opportunity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve140968 Posted 3 February , 2005 Author Share Posted 3 February , 2005 Cheers Harry . I agree absolutely regarding 'corps' medals , this is one area that stood out to me . My main interest is the Middlesex regiment , this regiment for what little i know seems to fall mid-range . I myself have several singles , but would dearly love to collect a trio from this regiment ( 16th battalion ) . Thanks again , Steve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsk212 Posted 4 February , 2005 Share Posted 4 February , 2005 !suffice to say that in general terms Corps Medals tend to be less in Demand Unless you are talking about Machine Gun Corps Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 4 February , 2005 Share Posted 4 February , 2005 Corps Medals tend to be less in Demand{initially as there are more of them} than Line Regiments; & Cavalry & Special Units,are more eagerly sought,than Line Regiments ,but there are always examples that disprove this basic theory, I mentally included Tank Corps & MGC ,RFC,Etc;in the Sphere of Specialist Units,realising that NO one would include them in the ordinary "Corps" Price/Desirability Bands!! The Middlesex Rgt would generally be in the Line Regiment's middle range in the collectability stakes,There were a number of Battalions,which always helps + A number of Veterans of WW1 saw action in North Russia,in 1920,which research into the Rolls could throw up!I hope you get your 16th Bn,Trio soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve140968 Posted 4 February , 2005 Author Share Posted 4 February , 2005 Thanks Harry , i'll keep looking hard - maybe it will happen one day !!! Steve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsnorth36 Posted 4 February , 2005 Share Posted 4 February , 2005 Royal Flying Corps medals are always valued to collectors and of course specially to casualties. Indeed a Richtofen casualty would prodbably set you back several thousand pounds. More modest pieces to non casualty airmen can be purchased from around £45 upwards for a single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pte1643 Posted 4 February , 2005 Share Posted 4 February , 2005 Hi Southern Medals have 3 14-15 Trios to the Middx Regt at the mo! http://www.southernmedals.co.uk/sm10.htm Scroll down to Ref# O9, O10, O11. 2 @ £78, 1@ £75. NOT casualties though, but a nice place to start, and O9 has 4 figure service number. I landed myself a VM to the Middx last week for £14, didn't know any details other than it was in GVF condition. Although the Middx Regt aren't my first choice to collect, for 14 Quid I thought I'd snap it up, turned out to have a 4 figure number aswell, NICE! They are out there keep looking. As Harry said I hope you find your Trio soon. Good Luck Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dycer Posted 4 February , 2005 Share Posted 4 February , 2005 I am not sure I understand the process here. I can understand the value of RFC and MGC but are we suggesting that the lower the number the higher the value? For example I have two trios(not for sale as they are Family ones) They are TF Royal Scots, Casualties(one killed 1915 and the other 1918) One Trio has a 3 Letter Number and the other has a 2 Number Mons Star. Would these command a greater price than say a later War entrant? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pte1643 Posted 4 February , 2005 Share Posted 4 February , 2005 George Not necessarily, the low numbers, I mean. The indivdual circumstances of the medal recipient are more important, of course. I was just making a comment that for the average collector that wants some "Nice" examples, maybe to start a collection, low service numbers are somewhat of a selling point. Then, maybe, when established we can all go out and start looking for the "Big Money" items. As you know, a man who has/had a 6 figure service number and was decorated, lets say MM, if his Trio were to come up for sale separately would command a higher figure than an undecorated man with say a 4 Figure number. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve140968 Posted 4 February , 2005 Author Share Posted 4 February , 2005 Thanks guys , Mark , thanks for the link - very interesting . Are there anymore websites that deal in medal sales ? What does the number signify , ie , numbers start at 1 meaning that numbers started low at the begining of the war , and soldiers joining later had a higher number ? Many thanks again , Steve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dycer Posted 7 February , 2005 Share Posted 7 February , 2005 Steve, You are opening a "can of worms" asking about Service Numbers. If you look on the Territorial Force Web-Site attached to this one you will see some information about the re-numbering exercise that was undertaken in 1917. It is not an exact science though when comparing it to the numbers shown on Medals. All I can say is that My Uncle's 1914 Mons Star is stamped with his pre-War Territorial Number.Although he was re-numbered in 1917 to a 6-figure one and this is the one recorded by the CWGC,his War and Victory Medal are stamped with a 4 figure Number. He may have moved Battalions but there is nothing in the Family Folklore to support this. I would suggest you "scroll" through our many discussions about Service Numbers. Best of luck! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 7 February , 2005 Share Posted 7 February , 2005 I can understand the value of RFC and MGC but are we suggesting that the lower the number the higher the value? For example I have two trios(not for sale as they are Family ones) They are TF Royal Scots, Casualties(one killed 1915 and the other 1918) One Trio has a 3 Letter Number and the other has a 2 Number Mons Star. I think "value" is being confused with interest,a one,two,three or low four {1000~2000} figure TF Number would signify service pre 1914,probaly from soon after the inauguaration of the TF in 1908,so by its very nature would be of more interest in the general run of things,than perhaps a similar Trio to a later enlistee,it would be a consideration,but would not be the only reason it would attract a healthier price,too much emphasis is placed on Price & Value,it is nice to be aware that your collection is increasing in value,but that should not be the primary reason for collecting,if it were;then other more tangible forms of collecting should be entertained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve140968 Posted 7 February , 2005 Author Share Posted 7 February , 2005 Thanks George , i would say then that as a general rule of thumb the lower the number the earlier . The big question then is , was anyone issued with the number '1' , if so does anyone know any information about this chap ???? Regards , Steve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Matthews Posted 7 February , 2005 Share Posted 7 February , 2005 Steve See this interesting thread concerning RSM 1 Stevenson DCM MM, Welsh Guards. Ed RSM Stevenson, WG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve140968 Posted 7 February , 2005 Author Share Posted 7 February , 2005 Thanks Ed , makes interesting reading . I thought there might be one soldier (at a push) , i wasn't expecting quite so many . Steve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 7 February , 2005 Share Posted 7 February , 2005 : . The big question then is , was anyone issued with the number '1' , Every TF Regiment Battalion in 1908 would have had a Number "1" it was I believe as a Matter of Custom granted to the RSM,,or the Senior Sgt,by 1914 however I supect that many of the Number 1's had ceased to Serve,or didnt serve Overseas due to Age,New Corps,in 1914,like the Cyclists,Etc; started @ "1" too. Most Regular Army Numbers had been in the Mid Thousands for a Number of Years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 7 February , 2005 Share Posted 7 February , 2005 My Uncle's 1914 Mons Star is stamped with his pre-War Territorial Number.Although he was re-numbered in 1917 to a 6-figure one and this is the one recorded by the CWGC,his War and Victory Medal are stamped with a 4 figure Number. Thats how it should be George,the Medals should show his original Number,only Post 1917 Gallantry or TEFM/TEM should have the "New" 6 Figure Number,Occassionally if the Chap changed Units the later number {of his Original Unit}was impressed on one or all of the Campaign awards,but technically it would be an error. ATB Roger. Steve in answer to your posed question below,yes,as with anything out of the ordinary Single Figure Number Groups {& singles}would always attract a premium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve140968 Posted 7 February , 2005 Author Share Posted 7 February , 2005 Cheers Harry , linking this back to the original question , even though there would seem to be quite a few '1's i would think that from a collectors point of view they are still quite rare and much sought after . Steve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pte1643 Posted 8 February , 2005 Share Posted 8 February , 2005 I think "value" is being confused with interest Correct. I was just trying to make a point, in that the lower figures are of "Collectable" value, not necessarily monetary value. After all, with ALL collectables... They are only worth what somebody is willing to pay for them. I appologise for causing any confusion. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dycer Posted 9 February , 2005 Share Posted 9 February , 2005 Mark, As you appreciate I am not a Collector because I have by accident of birth inherited Family items. I can supplement the Medals with pre-War Post Cards sent from Annual Camp(which contain photographs of my Relative),some items from France e.g. 1914 Christmas Box,Field Post Card and a photograph of my Uncle taken on local Leave in France.plus a formal Studio photograph taken whilst he was on Leave in Scotland. I am aware that there are still many gaps in his story but generally I would suggest that this collection would create "more interest" than just the Medals alone. Again if you scroll through our discussions you will find postings where members have displayed Medal and other personal items as described above.To me anyway, these postings are more interesting than just the Medals alone as they give an insight into the recipient.I am not being churlish not attaching photographs of my items,just a limited P.C. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pte1643 Posted 10 February , 2005 Share Posted 10 February , 2005 George. Sounds like you have a nice collection of personal items there. You are most likely correct in saying that these make for a more interesting insight into an individual soldiers life. I would dearly like to have a photograph of my Great Grandfather, although I am in possesion of his medals and plaque. This would put me in a better possition than some, in order to research his history, but the one thing I feel would really "Seal the Deal" is a photo. Best Regards. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dycer Posted 10 February , 2005 Share Posted 10 February , 2005 Mark, Just a thought Have you looked in the Local Newspaper Archives where your Grt/Grandfather lived. The report of his death may have a photo. I am sure you have already trawled the Family Archives.Most of the "bits and pieces" I mention came from a Maiden Aunt not my Father(Sister and Brother of my Uncle).It is not really surprising though.My Father was the youngest so his older Brother was sending items to his older Sister.Anything sent to my Grandfather and Father have not been retained. Thank goodness for Maiden Aunts George p.s. I know the thoughtlessness of Families.I can remember my Father throwing out his two Brothers Death Plaques in the early 1960's.It was only by chance that I found my Sister had the other Brother's Trio which she sent me after I had visited his grave in France.My Father gave them to her on her Wedding in the 1950's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pte1643 Posted 10 February , 2005 Share Posted 10 February , 2005 George. I fear we have hi-jacked Steve's thread a little. Still looking for that illusive photo, I haven't given up yet. I'll keep up the search, and explore all avenues, until all hope is lost. Be lucky my friend. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve140968 Posted 11 February , 2005 Author Share Posted 11 February , 2005 Thankyou very much Darrien , i'll check it out and it will be another one for 'my favourites'. Cheers , Steve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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