Catherine Mary Posted 25 August , 2019 Share Posted 25 August , 2019 In reading answers to similar questions I learned that A. RS. means Atelier de Construction de Rennes L 200 means Lot 200 16 - I'm guessing this means 1916 What does the D mean after the number? 75 DE C means 75mm De Campagne or 75mm Field Gun However, there is also an SD stamped and I don't know what that stands for. Hope someone can explain. Thanks, Cathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 25 August , 2019 Share Posted 25 August , 2019 D = December? Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14276265 Posted 25 August , 2019 Share Posted 25 August , 2019 The D represents the supplier of the metal (brass) for the casing. I believe it is Atelier de Fabrication, Douai, but an expert on French casings might have a different answer. The SD is most likely an inspector's stamp stamped on at final inspection of the empty case. It is nice to see someone using the search facility and doing most of the work upfront... 265 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 25 August , 2019 Share Posted 25 August , 2019 (edited) SD Compagnie Francaise des Metaux, Saint Denis. Mike. Edited 25 August , 2019 by MikeyH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Mary Posted 26 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 August , 2019 Thanks for such quick replies. I now have two explanations each for the letters I don't understand...haha. I must admit I'm hoping a third reply can verify either MikeyH's or 14276265's answers for the D and the SD. Cathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Haselgrove Posted 26 August , 2019 Share Posted 26 August , 2019 Hi Cathy, Here is a website and if you work your way down you will find a reference to SD: https://ator1149.home.xs4all.nl/wfm/ww1/ammunition2.html Regards, Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Mary Posted 26 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 August , 2019 Thanks! I will. Cathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14276265 Posted 27 August , 2019 Share Posted 27 August , 2019 (edited) On 26/08/2019 at 04:12, Catherine Mary said: I now have two explanations each for the letters I don't understand... Head stamps generally have a defined format. For the French 75 DEC, the cartridge case maker's monogram is followed by the Lot number, then the year of manufacture, then the monogram of the metal provider. Below at top is a clear and straightforward one - case made by MGM (Manufacture Generale Munitions - Bourg/Valence), brass supplied by BX (Etablissement DSA, Clichy). At bottom, not so clear, but the case maker is a common one PDPs (Pinchart Deny, Paris), and the brass supplier is indeed SD (Compagnie Francaise des Metaux, St-Denys). Randomly placed markings in different sizes and styles of type face tend to be refill marks and inspection and acceptance marks. To be honest I do not know what the small type face SD on your case is. It may be related to CFM, St-Denys, it may not, but it's a detail that probably requires someone with in-depth knowledge of French casings. Regarding the tables on the Western Front Museum website, a little caution is needed as there are some common mistakes (a couple of examples being the decodes of EOC and VSM British monograms). 265 Edited 27 August , 2019 by 14276265 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Mary Posted 28 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 August , 2019 On 26/08/2019 at 03:57, Michael Haselgrove said: Hi Cathy, Here is a website and if you work your way down you will find a reference to SD: https://ator1149.home.xs4all.nl/wfm/ww1/ammunition2.html Regards, Michael. okay....asked the tech folks and they told me how to continue our conversation. I've just copied my questions and hope they aren't against the rules. It seems if I can ask about markings, I should be able to ask what the item is inside the bottom of the shell. Here's what I sent to you earlier & hope you can respond. If not, I'll try elsewhere. Thanks, Catherine Now I'm wondering how to know which city performed which part of the making of the shell - or does that matter? And I noticed there is something in the bottom of the shell - looks like a couple of inches tall, skinny and hollow. What is that? Catherine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Mary Posted 29 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 August , 2019 On 27/08/2019 at 05:23, 14276265 said: Head stamps generally have a defined format. For the French 75 DEC, the cartridge case maker's monogram is followed by the Lot number, then the year of manufacture, then the monogram of the metal provider. Below at top is a clear and straightforward one - case made by MGM (Manufacture Generale Munitions - Bourg/Valence), brass supplied by BX (Etablissement DSA, Clichy). At bottom, not so clear, but the case maker is a common one PDPs (Pinchart Deny, Paris), and the brass supplier is indeed SD (Compagnie Francaise des Metaux, St-Denys). Randomly placed markings in different sizes and styles of type face tend to be refill marks and inspection and acceptance marks. To be honest I do not know what the small type face SD on your case is. It may be related to CFM, St-Denys, it may not, but it's a detail that probably requires someone with in-depth knowledge of French casings. Regarding the tables on the Western Front Museum website, a little caution is needed as there are some common mistakes (a couple of examples being the decodes of EOC and VSM British monograms). 265 THANK YOU very much for your explanation. I really have learned alot about my item. Now I just need to find someone who wants to make a fabulous piece of Trench Art! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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