Edward Charles Cave - MGC

[phsvm]

I am tryng to find out if Edward Charles Cave is recorded on a war memorial anywhere.

 

His entry on CWGC site states he was the only son of Edward and Ada Cave of Thornton Heath, Surrey and a native of Cricklewood.

 

In Berkshire we have a website which lists all the war memorials in the county and the names of all those recorded on them.  Does anyone know if there is a similar list available for Surrey or Cricklewood (I guess that would be Barnet but I can't find anything on the Barnet War Memorials website)?

 

[helpjpl]

1 hour ago, phsvm said:

I am tryng to find out if Edward Charles Cave is recorded on a war memorial anywhere

 

 

He is:

https://www.ourwatfordhistory.org.uk/content/service-people/cave-e-c

 

I Googled - St James Church Watford Fields, WW1 - and found some nice photos of the War Memorial courtesy of the Imperial War Museum:

 

JP

 

Edited 4 August , 2019 by helpjpl
to add photo

[Mark1959]

JP That is another chap I think. Believe the person concerned is an MGC Lt killed 1918.

[phsvm]

Unfortunately this is the wrong Edward Charles Cave.  This one's parents are Edward and Frances of Watford.  My Edward's parents were Edward and Ada of Thornton Heath.

 

Thanks for looking though.

[Colin W Taylor]

His MC citation is here - https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31043/supplement/14232

 

Lt. Edward Charles Cave, 17th Bn., Lond. B., Secd. 56th Bn., M.G. Corps. He handled his guns with coolness and resolution, bringing them into action in the open in spite of an intense fire from the enemy's machine guns and snipers. He caused heavy losses to the enemy, and put many machine guns that were harrassing the flank of our attack out of action. Later, he was severely wounded by a sniper at close range during a reconnaissance. His gallantry and initiative were conspicuous examples to his men.

[PRC]

The CWGC entry shows him as aged 24 when he died on the 29th August 1918 attached to the 56th Battalion, Machine Gun Corps. The additional information was only son of Edward and Ada Cave, of "Roseneath," Elliott Rd., Thornton Heath, Surrey. Native of Cricklewood, London.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/57097/cave,-edward-charles/

 

On the 1919 Probate Calendar his address is given as 26 Elliott Road, Thornton Heath. Administration with Will was granted at the London Court on the 12th September 1919 to Ada Cave, wife of Edward Cave.

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Cave&yearOfDeath=1919&page=1#calendar

 

The most likely birth is that of Edward Charles Cave, mothers maiden name Wood, which was registered with the Civil Authorities in the Hampstead District of London in the October to December quarter, (Q4), of 1894.

 

On the 1901 Census of England & Wales the 6 year old Edward C. Cave, born Hampstead, was recorded at 5 Cedar Road, Willesden, Middlesex. This was the household of his parents Edward, (aged 34, a Bricklayer, born Kensington) and Ada, (aged 31, born Kensington). The couple also have two daughters Ada F, (8, born Islington) and Violet, (aged 4, born Willesden). The address was in the St Gabriels Parish.

 

The family are at 18 Rutland Park Mews, Willesden Green, N.W London on the 1911 Census of England and Wales. Edward Chas Cave, (16, born “Branderbury”, Middlesex), was then working as an apprentice to an auctioneer. The address was in the Christchurch Parish.

 

Checking the Census looks like Elliott Road, Thornton Heath was in the Parish of St Saviour. St Saviour was created in the 1880’s from part of the larger parish of St Pauls. I couldn’t find anything online about a War Memorial in St Saviour. The memorial in St Pauls has no names but there is a book of remembrance with 143 names from the Great War.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/60605

https://www.thorntonheathchronicle.co.uk/lest-we-forget-those-who-fought-for-our-freedom/

 

There are a number of memorials in Thornton Heath.

https://www.surreyinthegreatwar.org.uk/collections/search?s=Thornton+Heath&qa[keyword_reference_type]=0&qa[partner]=&qa[identifier]=&qa[date_from]=&qa[date_to]=&qa[title]=&qa[person]=&qa[place]=&qa[subject]=&qa[format]=&cbpt=0&cbav=2&cbadvsearchquery=&fq[partner_code][]=Shmem

 

Most can probably be ruled out. A check of his Officers Service Record should confirm if he followed a Non-conformist faith which would then indicate a chapel where he might be remembered.

 

The other possibility given that his parents moved to Thornton Heath at some point between the start of April 1911 and getting his probate sorted in September 1919, is that he remembered at Willesden. The London WW1 Memorial website doesn’t have anything for him at that location. Again I couldn’t find anything online for a War Memorial at St Gabriels.

The church has a website here:

https://www.st-gabriels.org/

 

He isn’t on the memorial at Christchurch, Willesden.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/11099

 

Given that he had moved across London he simply may not be remembered anyway - it will quite often come down to who was still resident locally and wanted to put his name forward.

 

Hope that helps,

Peter

 

[phsvm]

Thank you Peter.  I had his probate, Gazette entry and census returns but hadn't analysed them as closely as you have.  Thank you for that.  I'll have a look at your suggestions and see if they come up with anything.

[Sue Sinton Smith]

I just came across this thread. Edward was my great uncle. I was wondering what your connection to him is, P? 

[Michelle Young]

@phsvm hasn’t been on the forum for nearly a year. Hopefully, my tag will alert them to your post. 

[Sue Sinton Smith]

Thanks Michelle 

[phsvm]

All sorted thanks Michelle.