Skipman Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 I have seen both versions of the spelling from many sources, including, the Official History, The Imperial War Museum, The History of the 52nd Division, etc etc etc Is it Wadi Ghazze or Wadi Ghuzze. Does it matter as long as one is consistent? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 Take your pick. It would be the British transcription of a word from another language (? Arabic) . I know nothing about the above example, but if it is anything like words in India there can be multiple variations (over five in some instances) which were acceptable. I think you don't even need to be consistent. Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 28 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2019 13 minutes ago, Maureene said: I think you don't even need to be consistent. Cheers Maureen Thanks Maureen. I think I would at least have to be consistent. Probably go with Ghazze as I think it is connected to "Gaza" in some way. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-boy Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 Having just found this topic and not having heard of the campaign (my knowledge is obviously sadly deficient), I googled Ghazze and found multiple entries. When I googled Ghuzze it asked if I meant Ghazze. What more do you need than google’s approval? Tongue in cheek, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 28 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2019 40 minutes ago, Ex-boy said: I googled Ghazze and found multiple entries. When I googled Ghuzze it asked if I meant Ghazze. What more do you need than google’s approval? Tongue in cheek, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 28 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2019 41 minutes ago, Ex-boy said: Having just found this topic and not having heard of the campaign (my knowledge is obviously sadly deficient), Steve I put off studying Palestine for some years, not being interested in it, but having a need to research it eventually. Dipped into in a few months back and am absolutely fascinated with it. Extremely interesting. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-boy Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 It seems I will need to do some research then, as I hate to be found wanting. And I thought I knew it all. Tongue firmly in cheek. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Skipman said: Is it Wadi Ghazze or Wadi Ghuzze. Does it matter as long as one is consistent? You can add to your collection; Ghuzzee (Allenby writing to Robertson 11 July 1917) As you suggest, be consistent, and if necessary, point out the commonest alternative spelling in a footnote best regards Michael Edited 28 July , 2019 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-boy Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 Being far from home and reference books, I have made an initial foray into the campaign via Wikipedia, where the spelling is mainly Ghuzze, but also Ghuzzeh! Having learnt a little Arabic in the army, I can only agree with Maureen that transliteration of Arabic words into English could have various spellings, depending on who does the work and possible local accents/dialects, so if you are happy with one variant, just go with it. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald D Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 In the 74th Divisional history it's called Wadi Ghuzzi. In the 10th Battalion KSLI war diary it is Wadi Guzzee. In the "The Battle for Palestine 1917" by John Grainger it is Wadi Ghazze. You pays your money you take your choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 28 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2019 (edited) In 1870's, "Wady Ghuzzeh" Mike Edited 28 July , 2019 by Skipman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 For what it is worth (very little I suspect) I use Ghuzze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emrezmen Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 (edited) Both are ok to me, but it should be "Ghazze" if you want to stick with the original. "Ghazze" comes from "Gazze/Gazzah", which is original Arabic name. "Ghuzze" is more "British". Edited 28 July , 2019 by emrezmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 28 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2019 37 minutes ago, emrezmen said: Both are ok to me, but it should be "Ghazze" if you want to stick with the original. "Ghazze" comes from "Gazze/Gazzah", which is original Arabic name. "Ghuzze" is more "British". Many thanks emremen. That'll do me. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran Tearosh Posted 30 July , 2019 Share Posted 30 July , 2019 To add to the confusion, in this part of the world, every part of a wadi is usually called or nicknamed in a different way - usually in connection to a physical object or phenomena, a land owner, etc'. The British map makers in the 1870's (The PEF) usually followed the local names, but Wadi Ghuzzeh is an exception. It stretches for a long distance under the same name. The Arabic name is Wadi G'aza (This G' sounds a bit like an R), see the Arabic spelling bellow - Interesting, as it reaches the Mediterranean a few kilometers west of Gaza, near Nuseirat. In Israel we relate to this water course as Bsor, but also as G'aza for the lower part. The PEF map covers the route of this water course only to the spot it splits to two: Wadi esh Shellaleh (continuing further south and south-east) and Wadi es' Seb'a (continuing further east) . Historically, Wadi G'aza was considered by some as the border of the Holy Land. Some scholars think that that is 'The river of Egypt' mentioned in the Bible, while others point at Wadi Al Arish, further west. Hope this helps, Eran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 30 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2019 Excellent Eran. Thanks as ever for the extremely interesting local knowledge. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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