On this day 103 years ago the following men from 26 Irish Counties died to the clack clack clack of the German Machine guns.

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On this day 103 years ago the following men from 26 Irish Counties died to the clack clack clack of the German Machine guns.

 

Addison, Arthur Joseph Berkeley.

Ahern, Cornelius.

Allen, Alured Thomas.

Anderson, Edward James.

Anderson, James Hill.

Andrews, Charles.

Anglin, John.

Atkinson, Thomas Joyce.

Baird, James.

Baird, John.

Barnhill, David .

Barrington, Richard M.

Beattie, John.

Beatty, Thomas.

Bethune, Douglas.

Bible, Geoffrey Roskell.

Black, David.

Bloomfield, Frederick Charles.

Bodle, George.

Bogle, William.

Bohan, Joseph.

Bond, Joseph.

Bond, Samuel.

Bonner, John.

Boyce, Patrick Colander.

Boyd, Alexander.

Boyd, Daniel.

Boyd, Robert.

Bradley, George.

Bradley, John.

Brandon, Henry Robert.

Breen, James.

Breene, Thomas Frederick.

Brennan, Christopher.

Broadbent, Robert William R.

Brown, Robert William.

Browne, Dominick Augustus.

Browne, Henry George.

Bryson, William.

Buchanan, Stewart.

Burke, John.

Burke, Joseph.

Burne, Cyril.

Burns, Robert Henry.

Butler, Joseph.

Butler, Patrick.

Butler, Walter Paget.

Byers, John.

Byrne, Edward.

Byrne, Joseph.

Byrne, Michael.

Byrne, Patrick.

Byrne, Thomas.

Caffrey, Charles James.

Callaghan, Joseph Patrick Aloysius.

Canavan, Patrick.

Carrick, Patrick.

Carroll, William.

Carroll, William.

Carter, William.

Carton, Laurence.

Cathcart, Robert.

Chambers, Edward Chandos Elliott.

Chapman, Samuel Hamilton.

Chatton, John Henry.

Chestnutt, Thomas.

Chilton, John.

Clark, Patrick.

Clarke, Patrick.

Clarke, Robert Thomas.

Clarke, William.

Cleary, Thomas.

Clesham, Thomas Henry.

Cole, Alfred.

Cole, Joseph.

Colgan, Alexander.

Colhoun, George Claud.

Colleran, John.

Collins, Mark.

Connell, James Albert.

Conners, John.

Connolly, George.

Connolly, Patrick.

Connolly, Thomas.

Connor, Daniel.

Conroy, John.

Conway, Thomas.

Cooke, Robert.

Coole, Thomas John.

Copley, Arthur William.

Corbally, Patrick.

Corrigan, John.

Corry, Richard.

Costello, Edward William.

Coughlan, Robert.

Coughlin, Luke.

Coupar, Allen.

Courtney, Edward.

Courtney, Patrick.

Coyne, Bernard.

Crockett, Joseph Atcheson.

Cronin, Patrick.

Crozier, William Magee.

Cullen, Robert.

Culleton, James.

Cummins, John.

Curley, Thomas.

Curley, Thomas.

Curran, John.

Curtis, William.

Dadswell, William.

Dale, Richard Albert.

Dalton, Edward.

Davis, John.

Davis, Thomas Henry.

Deasley, William James.

Deegan, Thomas.

Delaney, Edward.

Delaney, Patrick.

Delaney, Thomas.

Dennison, Albert Christopher.

Deveney, William.

Devine, Thomas.

Dinan, Peter.

Dinsmore, Robert.

Docherty, James.

Dockery, Thady.

Dodd, William.

Dodd, Wilmot Firth.

Dogherty, Daniel.

Dolan, Peter .

Donaghey, William.

Donnelly, Edward.

Donnelly, John.

Doohan, Edward.

Doonan, William.

Drury, George.

Duffy, John.

Dunn, Andrew.

Dunne, Jeremiah.

Dunne, Michael.

Dunne, Michael.

Durkin, William.

Ebbs, George Edward.

Edwards, Albert George.

English, Robert.

Eyre, Charles.

Farrell, Denis.

Farrell, Patrick Joseph.

Farrington, Joseph.

Fay, Matthew.

Feely, William.

Finn, Michael.

Fitzgibbon, Michael.

Flanagan, James.

Fleming, Thomas.

Fleming, William J.

Foley, John.

Ford, Martin.

Fowler, Patrick.

Fox, Francis Parker.

Fox, William H.

Fullerton, William Lawson.

Furlong, Thomas.

Galbraith, John.

Galbraith, John.

Gallagher, Anthony.

Gallagher, John.

Gallagher, Patrick.

Gallagher, Thomas.

Gannon, James Joseph.

Geoghan, John.

Geraghty, John.

Gibbons, John.

Gibney, Patrick.

Gibson, Oliver.

Gibson, Ramsey.

Gilchrist, James.

Gilfillan, Andrew.

Gill, Michael.

Gilliland, John.

Given, Richard John.

Gleeson, William.

Glenn, William.

Glynn, John.

Goodwin, David.

Goodwin, Michael.

Goodwin, William Alexander Delap.

Goodwin, William Andrew.

Gorman, Joseph.

Gourley, James.

Graham, Douglas.

Graham, James.

Grant, Maurice.

Granville, John.

Greene, Patrick.

Grehan, Bernard.

Guiry, John.

Hackett, Robert.

Hales, Charles Joseph.

Hall, David.

Halliday, Robert.

Hamill, Edward.

Hamilton, Andrew .

Hamilton, John.

Harbord, George Alfred Lionel.

Harper, Hugh.

Harpur, Ernest Reginald.

Harrington, Joseph.

Harris, John.

Harrison, John.

Hart, Andrew Chichester.

Hartney, Edward.

Harvey, James.

Harvey, Michael.

Hatch, Nicholas Stephen.

Hazlett, John Alexander.

Hazlette, John.

Healy, James.

Hearty, Michael.

Heatley, Charles.

Heffernan, James.

Hendy, Edward George.

Hennessy, William.

Higgins, Andrew.

Hillhouse, Robert Forbes.

Hogg, Matthew.

Holmes, James.

Hone, Nathaniel Frederick.

Horan, Jeremiah.

Horner, Percy.

Howcroft, Charles Edwin.

Hunter, Thomas.

Hutchings, Samuel Peter.

Hynes, Martin.

Jackson, Thomas Henry.

Jones, Andrew.

Joyce, Edward.

Kane, Patrick.

Kearney, Patrick.

Kearney, Robert Victor Alexander.

Keating, Laurence.

Kells, John Joseph.

Kelly, James.

Kelly, James.

Kelly, James.

Kelly, Michael.

Kelly, Mortimer Manus.

Kelly, Patrick.

Kelly, Patrick.

Kennedy, James Walter.

Kenny, John.

Kenyon, Patrick.

Kerrigan, John.

Keys, John.

King, Daniel.

Knox, Frank.

Laird, Christopher.

Langridge, Albert E .

Leary, Fraser.

Leitch, James.

Levingston, William.

Logan, Michael.

Lonergan, Patrick.

Long, William John.

Lougheed, Joseph.

Lowery, Michael Joseph.

Lowin, John Henry.

Lynch, John.

Macbeth, William.

MacKenzie, Kenneth.

Maguire, John.

Mahon, James.

Mangan, Andrew .

Mannix, Patrick.

Markey, John.

Marnell, Walter.

May, Robert .

McAndrew, Owen.

McBride, Robert.

McBrien, James.

McBrien, James William.

McCashin, Henry.

McClenaghan, John.

McClintock, William Thomas.

McColl, Michael.

McComas, George Andrew.

McConkey, Robert.

McCormick, Thomas.

McCoy, William James.

McCullagh, Alexander.

McDermott, John Francis.

McDermott, Patrick.

McDonagh, John.

McFarland, Andrew.

McGill, John.

McGourty, John.

McGrane, Charles.

McGrath, Thomas.

McHale, Anthony.

McKenna, Joseph.

McKenna, Thomas.

McLaughlin, John.

McLean, Donald Patrick.

McLoughlin, Henry.

McMahon, Frank.

McMahon, Patrick John.

McNamara, Thomas.

Meaney, Thomas.

Meehan, John Joseph.

Melley, Patrick.

Mills, George.

Mills, Michael.

Mitchell, John.

Modler, Robert.

Moeran, Robert Warner.

Molloy, James.

Molloy, Patrick.

Monaghan, Peter.

Moore, Adam David.

Moore, Arthur Robert.

Moore, James.

Moorhead, Andrew.

Morahan, Bernard Patrick.

Moran, John.

Morrin, Matthew.

Morrison, William.

Mortimer, Frederick.

Morton, Edward.

Mullen, William.

Murdoch, Hugh.

Murphy, Daniel.

Murphy, James.

Murphy, James Joseph.

Murphy, Thomas.

Murray, John.

Murray, John.

Murray, Thomas.

Murray, Thomas.

Mynes, Thomas.

Nee, William.

Neill, Edmund S.

Nelson, George William.

Nixon, Robert William.

Noctor, Patrick.

Nolan, Michael.

Nolan, Michael.

Nolan, Timothy.

O'Brien, Denis.

O'Brien, Thomas.

O'Callaghan, John Joseph.

O'Connor, John.

O'Connor, Timothy.

O'Meara, Thomas.

O'Neil, Patrick.

O'Neill, Denis.

O'Neill, Joseph Francis.

O'Rearden, Matthew.

O'Reilly, George.

O'Reilly, John.

Payne, William Joseph.

Pelly, William Francis Henry.

Peoples, George.

Peoples, George.

Percy, David Black.

Pettigrew, Frank.

Philbin, John.

Philbin, William.

Phillips, Walter Henry.

Pielow, William.

Plunkett, John.

Porterfield, David Albert.

Power, Robert.

Power, Samuel.

Poyntz, William.

Prescott, Robert Stewart.

Prout, George Henry.

Quigley, James Lynn.

Quinn, James.

Quinn, Patrick.

Quinton, Harry.

Radford, William Henry.

Ramsay, John.

Reilly, James.

Rennix, Robert O'Conor.

Richardson, Charles Vivian Leslie.

Richardson, William Turner.

Roberts, Thomas James.

Robinson, George.

Rochford, Patrick.

Rogers, Peter.

Rogers, William.

Ronan, Edward.

Rooney, Frederick.

Roulston, Thomas.

Rountree, James.

Rusk, James.

Rutherford, James.

Rutledge, John Forrest.

Scanlon, Thomas.

Scott, James Lees.

Seyers, William George.

Shaw, James.

Shea, James.

Sheehan, Daniel.

Sheehan, John.

Sherriff, Edwin Percival.

Sherwood, John James.

Shiels, Robert John.

Short, William Leo.

Shute, James.

Slacke, Charles Owen.

Slevin, Jacob.

Smith, James Henry.

Smith, John.

Smith, Patrick.

Smith, Thomas.

Smyth, Andrew Stevenson.

Smyth, Ezekiel.

Smyth, James.

Speer, Albert Victor.

Spence, Thomas James.

Stapleton, James.

Stratton, William James.

Stuart, James.

Sullivan, Michael.

Tallot, William.

Taylor, John.

Thom, William Nathaniel.

Thompson, Richard.

Timons, Thomas.

Tomney, Francis.

Toombe, George.

Topp, Richard William.

Tracey, John.

Trench, Frederick Charles.

Tutty, Edward.

Ussher, William.

Vance, Samuel.

Wallace, Mark .

Walsh, Michael Joseph.

Walsh, Patrick.

Warner, Archibald.

Warren, Samuel .

Watson, Samuel.

Watson, William.

Watson, William.

Wedgwood, Gilbert Colclough.

Wedgwood, Philip Egerton.

Weir, John.

West, Cornelius.

Whelan, Arthur.

Whelan, John.

White, Aubrey Cecil.

White, Herbert Robert.

White, Robert.

Williams, George Henry.

Williams, John Christopher.

Williamson, Hugh.

Willis, Samuel.

Wilson, Alexander.

Wilson, Arthur W .

Wilson, Eric Maurice.

Wilson, George.

Wilson, Robert.

Wilson, Sydney.

Wray, John.

Young, Robert Fearon.

Younger, Harry.

Edited 1 July by museumtom

[corisande]

12 minutes ago, museumtom said:

On this day 103 years ago the following men from 26 Irish Counties died to the clack clack clack of the German Machine guns.

 

On this day 103 years ago, it was 32 counties not 26, if you get my drift :-)

[museumtom]

I only do the 26 counties Corisande.

[Ron Clifton]

Is there a comparable list of the men from the other six counties, and should they not be comparably remembered?

 

Ron

[corisande]

I know Tom, I know

 

I was just making the point that statistics in 1916 would have been for the whole of Ireland. Not divided into Orange and Green

 

[museumtom]

I understand Corisande. 

7 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said:

Is there a comparable list of the men from the other six counties, and should they not be comparably remembered?

 

Ron

That would be a for someone who did the 6 counties to answer I am afraid. I would be very interested in the stats for there also.

[corisande]

So Tom, perhaps when we get a united Ireland again, then you will have to research the missing 6 Counties 

[little bob]

Respect to all of those that fell on 1st July 1916 

 

Bob

[museumtom]

No Corisande, it has nothing to do with an United Ireland, the reason I did not include the 6 counties was It was too far away and I would have to visit each county library to delve into their files, I run on a zero budget. I don't get support from anyone, and have been unemployed for the past ten years after the bust. I never asked for money just support. Those in the powers that be have been ignoring my pleas for 18 years and I am nearly 70. The 26 counties was just about doable within my lifetime but including the 6 counties would have knobbled me time wise, and nothing would have been completed. With support the 32 counties would have been finished 8 years ago, mores the pity.

Edited 1 July by museumtom

[corisande]

Tom

 

I am sorry, perhaps I should not have made the point that I made in my first post. But  I did feel that it was relevant, and not political , on the 26 versus 32 counties in July 1916

 

As we both know, it is easy to offend someone in Ireland, even if you are not trying :-)

[museumtom]

Thanks Corisande old buddy, not offended at all but it was worth clarifying. I am often asked that question.

[Michael Pegum]

Hi. Museumtom,

 

I'm sure you did not collect only a list of names. What information have you discovered about these men, and what are you going to do with it? 

 

I have researched two of them myself (William Magee Crozier and Arthur Robert Moore), and could pass on the results if you are interested.

 

Michael

[wandererpaul]

5 minutes ago, Michael Pegum said:

Hi. Museumtom,

 

I'm sure you did not collect only a list of names. What information have you discovered about these men, and what are you going to do with it? 

 

I have researched two of them myself (William Magee Crozier and Arthur Robert Moore), and could pass on the results if you are interested.

 

Michael

 

 

They're all here, https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=26+County+Casualties+of+the+Great+War&ref=nb_sb_noss, Tom's work in 15 volumes.

 

More info here; https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/historian-lists-almost-30-000-irishmen-who-died-in-ww1-1.3288632

Edited 1 July by wandererpaul

[museumtom]

Here you go Robert.

Crozier, William Magee. (Dublin). Lieutenant.

Regiment/Service: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers.

Unit: 9th Battalion.

Date of death: 01/07/1916.

Age: 42.

Born: Dublin.

Residence: 19 St Stephen's Green, Dublin-Probate.

Death: Killed in action.

Next of kin, etc: Son of the late Francis R. M. Crozier, of Monkstown, County Dublin. A Barrister-At-Law.

Newspapers/Books etc: The Irish Times. Ireland’s Roll of Honor. 1916. Lieutenant William M Crozier, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, reported missing, was hit twice before he reached the German wire, then he continued to advance gallantly till he reached the first German trench. He was seen to try to take cover in a shell hole, after which no more is known of his movements.

The Irish Times. Ireland’s Roll of Honor. 1916. Lieutenant William M Crozier, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, missing, is a popular member of the Irish Bar, and second son of the late Mr Francis R M Crozier

Grave/Memorial: Pier and Face 4 D and 5 B.

Cemetery: Thiepval Memorial, France.

 

Moore, Arthur Robert. (Dublin). Captain.

Regiment/Service: London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers).

Unit: 1st/4th Battalion.

Date of death: 01/07/1916.

Age: 32.

Born: Dublin (1901 Census).

Residence: 40 Fitzwilliam Square, Dublin-Probate.

Death: Died in German hands.

Next of kin, etc: Son of Sir John Moore, M. D., F. R. C. P. I., D. L., Physician to H. M. The King in Ireland, and Lady Moore, of 40, Fitzwilliam Square, Dublin. M. A., University of Dublin: Barrister-At-Law: Gazetted August 1914.

Notes- Listed in the 1911 Census in Fitzwilliam Square, West (Mansion House).

Grave/Memorial: Pier and Face 9 D and 16 B.

Cemetery: Thiepval Memorial, France.

[museumtom]

Thank you Wandererpaul. These are published at cost, as it is the purpose of this project to remember our Irish heroes, not to make money. Due to recent activity on this forum with death certificates, IFCP, and databases that have become available within the past two years I am bringing out a 16th volume-'The Gray Area' which will include many newly found names missing from previous books and others that do not qualify for IFCP, and also newly accepted ones in IFCP. Once I hear from Terry with the full list accepted recently I will be in a better position to proceed with it.

[voltaire60]

Amen Tom for all those lost on 1st July 1916, from all causes.  The thump of artillery took a fair few as well, not just the machine gun.

Might I ask if all those you list are included in your splendid  volumes on the 26 counties??  An increasing sideline from my own local casualties (North-East London) is the number of non-Irish serving in "Irish" regiments. The Roll on Ancestry nowadays is a splendid work of fiction but,alas, many many Londoners were put into Irish regiments  to shore them up.The politics of it all is beyond GWF-the actuality of what happened is very much within our remit.

 

    If one sits behind a German machine gun of the Great War, with on'e's hands on the trigger mechanism, then the British (or Empire) uniform in front of that gunner would not distinguish whether a man was Irish, whether he was Catholic or Protestant, whether he was from the 26 counties or the 6. Such is my simple view. History is what it is, politics is what it aint.

    Both you  and Corisande have profound depths of knowledge all  things Great War and Irish. Any other views coloured by events subsequent to 1st July 1916 should ideally be conducted over several large glasses of the black stuff and the only enduring difference of opinion should be on who pays for the curry afterwards.

 

    Here's raising a glass to both of you.

 

 

      

[museumtom]

Go on ya good thing!!

[corisande]

26 minutes ago, voltaire60 said:

Any other views coloured by events subsequent to 1st July 1916 should ideally be conducted over several large glasses of the black stuff and the only enduring difference of opinion should be on who pays for the curry afterwards.

 

I concur

 

The remarkable thing on the Forum is that , by and large, we have managed to avoid anything too, shall we say, aggressive in debate

 

I am indeed grateful for Tom for explaining why only  "26" counties is his remit

[museumtom]

Can you imagine if I only did 25?

[ss002d6252]

6 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Can you imagine if I only did 25?

Best not to go there...

I think you quite rightly had to draw a line of practicality - better 26 at 100% than 32 at 75%.

Craig

[voltaire60]

12 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Can you imagine if I only did 25?

 

    And I bet you wouldn't tell us which one was left out!!   Time for more of  the black stuff to guess about that.

 

1/7/16 was too much of a tragedy for all that anyone could do other than drop the odd tear into the glass of the black stuff while raising it to the memory of all those lost,wounded,maimed or scarred on that terrible day. I think there is a good case for saying that just as First Day is regarded as the worst day in British history, it has a claim to being considered the worst in Ireland's history as well-for all communities and all counties (not forgetting the Fastnet Rock)

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear All and voltaire60,

I thought you put that extremely well, swiftly diffusing any possible contretemps and at the same time reminding one of the bigger picture...

One sympathizes with Tom, of course, and I must mention at the same time that corisande has helped me in the past, thereby upholding all that is good about the Great War Forum!

I possess the medals of only one Irishman (Captain D. V. McCollum, IARO, from Cork), who - as it happened - had a "good" War, and on that fateful day was with the Erinpuras in Mesopotamia. Lucky? He became a staff officer shortly before Kut, and in 1918 was officiating Political Agent, Kuwait.

Kindest regards,

Kim. 

[voltaire60]

   I think we can concur on one historical "truth"

 

Cheers everybody

 

 

 

[museumtom]

[Jervis]

Frederick Rooney named above was a distant relative of mine. He served with 1st battalion of Royal Inniskilling fusiliers part of the 29th Division. He was a veteran of  Gallipoli, landing there in April 1915 and was wounded in June of that year. He went over the top near Beaumont Hamel on 1st of July. He was initially recorded as wounded in the casualty lists which was published in the newspaper, but alas he was dead and his body never recovered. He was 22 years old. Rooney was a Dubliner from Chancery street. He had three brothers who fought in and survived the war. (one was a pre-war regular with the skins, one in second Leinster’s and one with 6/RDF). His first cousin also called Frederick Rooney and born in the same year (1894) was killed in Gallipoli in 1915 with the 1st RDF.