Trooper B Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 Hoping somebody can help with this one. I have acquired the medal trio of 14363 WO Class 2 Frank Elliott of the Wiltshire Regiment. From my inexperienced research I have discovered he served in 7th Service Bn and that as a Sjt (as per medal script) was wounded at the 1st Battle of Dorian 24/25th April 1917. I know that the 7th was formed in 1914 but I am unable to find any other information on him. His Medal index card has the text “Trans Z.A.R” or L.A.R handwritten on it, anyone any ideas? Also is he likely to have been transferred from a regular battalion on the formation of the 7th or has he been promoted to Sjt after its formation. Finally, unable to find any info after being wounded and subsequent promotion. Not sure if it’s me but unable to find him on the pension records index either. Any help or Wiltshire Regiment specialists comments greatly appreciated! Trooper B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 On FMP it says he had Malaria 20.10.18 and was a L/Cpl from 7th Wilts A company. He was aged 30 and had 4 years enlisted and 36 months field service George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrmh Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 (edited) Transferred To Army Reserve? also looks like WO Cl II (Warrant Officer Class 2) Edited 14 April , 2019 by Jrmh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 Also... First name(s)Frank Last name Elliott Year1914-20 Service number14363 Second service number14363 Rank Sergeant,Warrant Officer Class 2 Second rank Warrant Officer Class 2 Regiment Wiltshire Regiment Second corps Wiltshire Regiment Service record Soldier Number: 14363, Rank: Sergeant, Corps: Wiltshire Regiment Second service record Soldier Number: 14363, Rank: Warrant Officer Class 2, Corps: Wiltshire Regiment in his Medal award George Haven't found that yet George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 This as well... First Name: F Surname: Elliott Resided Town: Horton Report Date: 09/11/1916 Information: Listed as "Wounded" on the Casualty List issued by the War Office. Further Information: This man was entitled to wear a "Wound Stripe" as authorised under Army Order 204 of 6th July 1916. The terms of this award being met by their naming in this list. Rank: Sergeant Service Number: 14363 and... Index Number of Admission: 7093 Rank: Sergeant Service Number: 14363 Ailment: Gun shot wound left arm Date of Admission for Original Ailment: 25/04/1917 Date Transferred to Sick Convoy: 26/04/1917 Number/Designation of Ward: C4 Religion: Church of England Regiment: Wiltshire Regiment Battalion: 7th (Service) Battalion Other unit info: D Company Archive Reference: MH106/572 MH106/572 can be found at The National Archives in Kew, and contains First World War Representative Medical Records of Servicemen from No. 31 Casualty Clearing Station But you probably have all that already George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 Don't understand why in 1918 he was a L/Cpl. Will have to check again George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 Quote His Medal index card has the text “Trans Z.A.R” Trans(ferred) Z A(rmy) R(eserve). - effectively he was released from the amy with a recall condition. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper B Posted 14 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 April , 2019 I knew you chaps would come up trumps.......but not that quickly! Where is the best place to look online for casualty info please? Also still nott sure why there is no pension record! A massive thanks for the extra info! I will look at that reversion to L/Cpl in 1918. It might be a different F Elliott as I know there was one in the Battalion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 Same number as yours George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 Just now, Trooper B said: I knew you chaps would come up trumps.......but not that quickly! Where is the best place to look online for casualty info please? Also still nott sure why there is no pension record! A massive thanks for the extra info! I will look at that reversion to L/Cpl in 1918. It might be a different F Elliott as I know there was one in the Battalion. He may not have been entitled to a pension - on discharge to Class Z a man was asked to make a claim if he believed there was an entitlement. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper B Posted 14 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 April , 2019 I assumed that as he had been wounded he would be entitled to a pension. I guess they were different times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Trooper B said: I assumed that as he had been wounded he would be entitled to a pension. I guess they were different times! A wound that did not result in a discharge and did not leave any permanent long term damage would not always give rise to a pension (There were many criteria including a % disablement criteria). One problem you also have is that the pension ledgers started to be used only in 1920/21 whereas a man who was discharged in 1919 may have been given a short term pension that was finished before then and so would not show in the ledgers anyway - these earlier claims would be in the service records in most cases, if they survived. Craig Edited 14 April , 2019 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper B Posted 14 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 April , 2019 I’m learning a lot today.........thanks everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 14 April , 2019 Share Posted 14 April , 2019 (edited) Hi, The Regimental Museum have transcribed the Battalion war diary. He is one of the named casualties for 24/25th April 1917 - link. Regards Chris Edit: It might be worth doing some near number sampling. For example 14351 Coey and 14366 Foddy have some surviving papers. Both originally joined the Ox and Bucks Light Infantry in September 1914, but were transferred to the 7/Wilts on 1st October 1914, and given the numbers shown. Edited 14 April , 2019 by clk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper B Posted 14 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 April , 2019 Hi Chris, Thanks for the info, where did you get the OBLI info from regards transfer to 7th Wilts? Regards Trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 16 April , 2019 Share Posted 16 April , 2019 Hi Trooper, On 14/04/2019 at 23:44, Trooper B said: where did you get the OBLI info from regards transfer to 7th Wilts? From the service papers of Coey and Foddy. The service numbers shown in the images below relate to the OBLI. When they were posted to the 7/Wilts they appear to have been renumbered to 14351 and 14366 respectively. I guess that as your man had a number between the two, that he would have joined the Wilts around 1st October as well. I also wondered if as the 7/Wilts were only formed in September 1914, whether they took an early seeding draft from the OBLI depot including 14363 Elliott. Images sourced from Findmypast Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunesmith Posted 16 April , 2019 Share Posted 16 April , 2019 I'm pretty sure F. Elliott 14363 ended his service with the 7th Wiltshires as CSM of D Company. I got this from a list I put together years ago from various sources, including medal rolls It records 6 other Elliotts serving in the 7th Wiltshires, including Sgt F. Elliott 10811, also D Compnay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper B Posted 18 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 April , 2019 Hi clk, Thanks for the info on Coey and Foddy and their transfer. Am I reading correctly in that both were discharged from the 7th as unlikely to become efficient soldiers? Might this have been a way out for men working their ticket not wanting to be transferred, or a way a battalion got around having to give up men to another......by transferring their least capable recruits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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