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German Bayonet 98/02


Steve1871

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I know there is a book out in Russian ( I no read Russian ) on it, but the 98/02 looks to be a slightly shorter blade than the S71  PFM , but for the modern Gew98. How rare is the 98/02, and anyone know how many were produced?By one company or a few? Thank you Guy's

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14 minutes ago, Steve1871 said:

I know there is a book out in Russian ( I no read Russian ) on it, but the 98/02 looks to be a slightly shorter blade than the S71  PFM , but for the modern Gew98. How rare is the 98/02, and anyone know how many were produced?By one company or a few? Thank you Guy's

Steve

 

It is indeed slightly shorter than the hybrid ‘Pfm 71/98’ as used in China, with an overall length of 61.3 cm, and blade 48 cm long. Will check on makers later as I have to go to work...:(

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The Russian book is very nicely illustrated and it has updated the years of production of the S.98/05 by the various makers. I don't read Russian either (well, I am beginning to get the bayonet terminology!) - I haven't checked if it updated the S.98/02 list though.

 

Anyway, makers of the S.98/02 as according to Carter volume 1:

 

Prussia - all known example (25) are ERFURT - but five cross-guard marked to Saxon regiments.

Bavaria - G.C.HAENEL (7), and V.C.SCHILLING (7)

Saxony - G.C.HAENEL (11), and V.C.SCHILLING (7)

 

That's it!

 

Julian

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So maybe 1000  98/02 left for us collectors to fight over, and 80% tucked away in collections?

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Steve

The recorded examples for 98/02 on 2009 were 406 in all the known collectors and museums. 

Offcourse is sure that the number is much bigger. I have seen the last 10 years at least 100 more. 

But the numbers are limited as you understand. 

And is much desired bayonet and expensive as well. 

Regards

D. 

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Hi Dimitrios, kali mera or καλημέρα” if you prefer! Interesting figure that for surviving 98/02... Can't remember seeing it before - was it from Roy?

 

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Yes during the research of his first book for german bayonets, he had gathered and all the recorded examples from 98/02 bayonets from known collectors and museums. Until 2009 he added some more. 

But the listing was for those numbers. 

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Just now, zuluwar2006 said:

Yes during the research of his first book for german bayonets, he had gathered and all the recorded examples from 98/02 bayonets from known collectors and museums. Until 2009 he added some more. 

But the listing was for those numbers. 

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What a chap! Man after my own heart! And more great bayonets!!!

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2 minutes ago, trajan said:

 

What a chap! Man after my own heart! And more great bayonets!!!

:D

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I should have known Demitrios would have one, a very nice one with unit marking and scabbard too. I think he should set up a small bayonet museum for the rare and obscure😃 Bravo D'!

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