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petestarling

I am trying to find out which hospital ships sailed from Boulogne to England on and around 16 April 1917. Anyone know if there is a listing in the TNA other than going through individual war diaries.

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TEW

You could try Lines of Communications; Boulogne Base; DDMS diary WO95/4014/2. Not on ancestry but a download for £3.50.

 

I have a similar diary for Rouen Base which lists Ambulance Train arrivals and Ship departures but one never knows what'll be in a diary.

 

TEW

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petestarling

TEW

Thanks, at TNA next week so will have a look.

 

Pete

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Terry_Reeves
13 minutes ago, petestarling said:

TEW

Thanks, at TNA next week so will have a look.

 

Pete

Pete

 

I have said war diary.  The following sailed on 16th April

 

Princess Elizabeth - 350 OR

 

St Denis - 5 Officers, 491 OR

 

Jan Breydel  -  15 Officers, 613 OR

 

TR

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petestarling

Terry,

Thank you very much. 

 

Pete

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robertb

TEW,

There would seem to be three references to WD for the L of C base at Rouen at the National Archives: WO 95/4046 (1st March 1916-31st December 1918); WO 95/4044 (1st October 1914-31st January 1919); WO 95/4045 (1st January 1915-31st March 1919).

I am looking for the hospital ship that would have accepted the casualties from Ambulance Train 21 (Trip LXXVII - from Vecquemont to Rouen) on the 13th July 1916. 

My question is which diary should I download?  Or, would you suggest all three?

Rob

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TEW

Looking at the Discovery listing I'd say WO95/4044/3 is the one you want. If you can wait till tomorrow I'll check what I have at home.

 

Sometimes the Ambulance trains load directly onto the ship so AT21 diary may have the answer. Alternativley AT21 may have offloaded wounded at Rouen and some were shipped home and others hospitalised in France for a while.

 

The other annoying issue I've spotted is that the DMS 4th Army has tables of Ambulance Trains & Barge movements from July to Oct 1916. The annoying part is that for Rouen the train numbers don't always match up with the Rouen Base diary. Have yet to work out which diary is in error.

TEW

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robertb

Thank you for the prompt reply.  Looking forward to the missive tomorrow.

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TEW

Well at least the 4th Army DMS and Rouen Base diaires concur in this case.

21ATDMS.jpg.1fab49f545734dda602e5d2eeb00f36c.jpg

rouen.jpg.4a183da01a1667fe3ef466931f02947a.jpg

 

As you can see, 21AT left Vecquemont 13:00 hrs 13/7/1916 and then seems to have arrived in Rouen the following day. Quite some journey as it's only 70 miles as the crow flies. Later the same day HS St. Andrew &  HS St. George left Rouen. Pity we don't know the times of arrivals for the ATs and departures of the ships. The ships do have diaries but don't cover this period.

If you're tracking a casualty and you know he arrived in a UK hospital around 15th-16th July 1917 the rest may be irrelevant.

 

There are two ATs arriving in Rouen 14/7/1916 with a total of 863 wounded. Two ships leave with a total of 675 wounded which means 188 (21.78%) wounded were not evacuated to the UK by those ships. However, another AT leaves Rouen for Le Havre with 432 wounded. Possibly another 244 wounded from hospitals in Rouen joined the 188 other casualties and went to Le Havre for ship transport.

 

Another way of putting it is that 78% of the wounded from the two ATs were shipped home from Rouen but was your man?

 

Diary for 21AT may say that they loaded the wounded onto HS ...............

TEW

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robertb

TEW,

Thank you so much.  There is soldier I am looking at - Thomas Jones - 25251 17th RWF. At the Battle of Albert (Mametz Wood), with the 38th (Welsh) Division he had a shrapnel wound to his elbow, and evacuated to the UK, via Minden Post and 34th CCS at Vecquemont, and 21st Ambulance Train to Rouen.  Later he recovers from his wounds in the UK and eventually ends up in the 10th RWF with a new number (70149).  He was killed at the Battle of Polygon Wood (26 September 1917).  His body was never recovered. He is commemorated on the Tyne Cote Memorial.

I am trying to piece together what hospital ship, from Rouen (July 1916), he may have sailed on, and what hospital in the UK he was admitted to.

Thanks again,

Rob

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KennyD

I would love to know which Ambulance Train arrived from Grevilliers No. 3 Casualty Clearing Station on 10th April 1917 to unload patients at No. 5 General Hospital at Rouen.

 

I had a relative on that train with a severe gunshot wound to his left leg...

I am hoping there is a diary entry somewhere that would answer this - his records do not show which ambulance train.

Cheers, Ken.

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TEW

No 3 CCS was at Aveluy 10/4/17, they closed down 11/4/17 and moved to Grevillers where they opened 14/4/17.

I'd guess the relevant Ambulance Train movement is;

16 AT left Aveluy 9/4/17 and arrived Rouen 10/4/17 with 458 ordinary ranks.

TEW

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