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217 Siege Battery 1918


Robert Laing

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I have my grandfather's diary for 1918. His name was Alexander Bruce MacGarry. He was an officer in 217 Siege Battery in France. I believe he was a Lieutenant (and acting Captain at one stage) but he does not mention his rank in his diary. On the first page he lists the names and addresses of the other twenty officers. The longest entry in the diary is 9th April describing the German attack on Vieille Chapelle.

 

I am new to forums, and how they operate, but I am willing to pass on any info from the diary regarding 217 Siege Battery in 1918. 

 

Robert Laing

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Welcome Robert,

You will no doubt get a rapid response from several Gunner and RGA specialists on this forum. I'm sure there are others who would like to see the list of names in case they find a relative or someone they are researching.

 

I see that he was commissioned from the Royal Engineers in 1917 and his RE Service Record is here on Ancestry

 

Charlie

 

PS I see he started with 14thA&SH but in 1915 trfd to RE Chemical Company which is of interest to @Terry_Reeves

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Thanks Charlie962.

 

Robert

 

He was one of number of schoolmasters who volunteered for the Special Brigade, most of whom had a BSc.  His enlistment date and RE number indicates he was one of these men.  A surprising numbe were commissioned into the RGA. He has an officers file at TNA in WO339/77845 which might reveal what special company he was serving with before his commission. I will look him up for you next time I go which should be quite soon.

 

TR

 

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Hi Terry

 

Yes, you're correct he was a schoolmaster although it was an MA in English he achieved at St Andrew's University rather than a BSc. He finished his career as deputy headmaster of Govan High School in Glasgow, retiring in 1952, probably around the time Sir Alex Ferguson first became a pupil.

 

Any further info you provide regarding his war years will be very welcome.

 

Robert

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From University of St. Andrews Roll of Honour and Roll of Service 1914-1919

MA 1910

Teacher, Harris Academy, Dundee

Private, 14th Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders

Corporal, Special Battalion, RE

Lieutenant, RGA Special Reserve

 

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21 minutes ago, rflory said:

From University of St. Andrews Roll of Honour and Roll of Service 1914-1919

MA 1910

Teacher, Harris Academy, Dundee

Private, 14th Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders

Corporal, Special Battalion, RE

Lieutenant, RGA Special Reserve

 

Thanks for that info. I think he did well, coming from a humble background, to achieve officer status in those class-conscious days.

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Hi Robert

My Grandfather Major George R Gildea Robertson was the officer in charge of the 217th Siege Battery. I have a photo of the battery when they were at Arras in Jan 1917. 

I have been trying to put names to faces and would love to know if you had a photo so I can see if I can match him with your grandfather and also the names you mention.

look forward to hearing 

best John

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13 hours ago, mandawa said:

Hi Robert

My Grandfather Major George R Gildea Robertson was the officer in charge of the 217th Siege Battery. I have a photo of the battery when they were at Arras in Jan 1917. 

I have been trying to put names to faces and would love to know if you had a photo so I can see if I can match him with your grandfather and also the names you mention.

look forward to hearing 

best John

P.S. I have the notice of the fighting at Vieille Chapelle. details in the records from Kew. My Grandfather was mentioned in dispatches for that action.

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14 hours ago, mandawa said:

I have a photo of the battery when they were at Arras in Jan 1917. 

Any chance you could post a copy?

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Hi Robert, 

I wonder if you are still searching for information regarding your grandfather and the 217th S.B. 
I would love to have a copy of the list of the names of the officers and the detail of which officer is your grandfather. 
 regards 

John

On 02/08/2021 at 10:27, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Any chance you could post a copy?

Yes

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@Robert Laing last visited the forum in 2018. My tag might alert them to your posts. 

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I've just received an email from Michelle Young so I'm now revisiting the forum where I discussed 217th Siege Battery in Sep 2018. There were a couple of requests several years later which I was not aware of until today as I did not return to the forum after Sep 2018. I have a copy of my grandfather's diary for 1918. He was Alexander Bruce MacGarry and I'm now going to attempt to attach the diary in the form of a PDF document. (See below). It contains the names of other officers on the first page. I hope it will prove informative to those interested in the First World War. I also have a couple of photos of my grandfather taken during the period and will provide scans on request.

A. B. MacGarry's Diary for 1918.pdf

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Thank you for sharing this. Should Hazelrouch be in fact Hazebrouck? Great to read about Vielle Chapelle, my favourite bed and breakfast is there. 

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I checked through the diary and located the word on 28-Dec. :)

I should have transcribed the word as Hazebrouch or Hazebrouck.  If you know the place to be Hazebrouck then that will be the correct spelling. I've attached the appropriate page. 

A. B. MacGarry_Diary_Extract.pdf

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Definitely Hazebrouck. Also 7th January. 

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Yes, you're right. I should have been more careful when starting the search. If you find anything else that looks wrong I'll double check the handwritten diary and let you know. Thanks. 

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Thank you for posting the diary Robert. Definitely worth the wait.

2 typos late on- Armentieres is misspelled (Armenheres 31st October) and Courtrai (as Courtria 15th November).

He didn't  think much of Gen. West  Brig. East  did he?

March 21st onwards is a bit hairy, and it never ceases to amaze me that the soldiers only got an inkling very late on that they were going to win. The first optimistic postings in Septembr or October.

His comment on New Year's Eve, sum it all up extremely well and probably represented the opinion of millions worldwide.

 

 

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6 March, it’s Estaires, Anezin should be Annezin, I think Oblinghem could be Ebblinghem, and Masinghem/Mazinghem, I think the correct spelling is with a z , La Beuvrie is I think Beuvry.

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Brigadier General East is I think this man:
Brigadier General Lionel William Pellew East who was General Officer Commanding XIII Corps Heavy Artillery (grave X. D. 1.) He was killed in action on 6 September 1918 at the age of 52. 

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/battlefields/gazetteer-of-the-western-front/gazetteer-of-the-western-front-lapugnoy/

217 SB were in 70 Bde. RGA in April 1918 when the diary entry was made by 2nd Lt. MacGarry.
70 Bde RGA joined XIII Corps in 'Late April' according to the brigade diary. WO 95/323/2

It looks as though he was killed  doing the task that he expected others to do, and earned him the 'Butcher' moniker.

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Thanks to all for their comments and info about various misspellings of place names. If the diary sheds any light to anyone as regards 217 Siege Battery activities in 1918 then I think putting it online was a worthwhile effort. 

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Below are three photos of my grandfather A. B. MacGarry, whose 1918 diary I posted on this forum two days ago. One was taken at a training camp at Exeter in Mar 1917 and the other looks likely to be the same training camp. I've no info about the larger photo. He was born in 1887 and died in 1966.

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4 hours ago, Robert Laing said:

Below are three photos

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Pictures not visible I'm afraid.

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That’s worked for me. Thank you for sharing the photos. 

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