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M17 German liner experts.


Max Poilu
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M16/17 helmet liners are not something I have handled enough of - can some German helmet specialists help?

What are your thoughts on this M17 liner - looks a strange, perhaps ersatz, material? Assured it is original, (new stitching???) do you agree?

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Guest Chip Minx

Giles,

I have never seen anything like it. I have an especially bad feeling having seen the liner brads, which obviously indicate that the liner band has been removed for the sewing job. I suppose one could say that it could be a period repair, but it is done so poorly that I would pass on this piece.

Regards,

Chip

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Thanks Chip,

I had no pictures or references to show anything similar - especially the liner sewn inside the band like this and welcome your comments.

The shell itself looks good so it may be worth it if cheap.

Have you seen non-leather liner pads like this?

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Guest shenkursk

Hello Giles:

I have to agree with Chip. It sure looks like the liner has been removed and replaced.

If the cloth liner is original, then it would be the first one that I have ever seen or heard of. Probably an old collector's replacement.

Jeff

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I think it is replaced or fake:

1 the pads are normaly plied were they are attached, they are not plied here.

2 The pads show no wear.

3 the stich is incorrect, it is not - - - - - - - but ----------

4 most pads are not stiched at the inside of the liner but inbetween the helmet and the liner.

5 the pads themself have no rings in it or stiches around the holes to put the cord true (i hope you understand)

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This is how mine looks

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It looks to me aswell that the pads are not corect

looks to minty to me

and they are wrongly attached

here is mine

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(the chinstrap is not original)

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Thanks all for the replies. The helmets shown above have the normal liner as I guess we are all familiar with. I just wanted to check if anyone had ever seen an ersatz 'cloth' liner of this type. I have never seen one or any liner attached on the inside in this fashion.

But we must always be careful with militaria - just because one or two of us have never seen a particular pattern it does not mean it did not exist but if no-one has ever seen it or recorded it in a book then it is indeed rather suspect!

Considering the rather strange use of ersatz materials in the Great War for everything from coffee to fibre Pickelhaubes it does still seem strange a substitute material was never used for Stalhelm liners - steel M17 bands excepted.

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Giles,

canvas and web were used in steel helmets, Belgian helmets and French helmets.

But this one looks to new, unsused + stiched the wrong way, to weak.

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