The Leeves Brothers, Arthur H. and Frederick H.

[sapper5]

I am currently researching the service of two brothers who served during the Great War.  They are:

Lieutenant Arthur Henry Leeves, Royal Engineers, who served in the 1st Field Company, East Lancashire Division Engineers (427th Field Company) and in the 42nd Division Signal Company, R.E. He served from July 1915 to July 1921.

Lieutenant Frederick Horrocks Leeves, Arthur's brother, served in the 1/4th Battalion, South Lancashire Regiment, also in the 42nd (East Lancashire) Division.  Frederick served from June 1915 to July 1920.

[Mark1959]

What information are you actually after?

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear sapper5,

Welcome to the Great War Forum. 

I am sure that there are numerous RE aficionados who can assist, with whatever they know about the Leeves brothers.

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[The Inspector]

Hi sapper5,

Arthur  Henry Leeves was born 15.6.1892 in Rouen, France. died Jan, 1985 Shrewsbury, Shropshire UK. Here is a photo from a public tree on Ancestry:-

His brother Frederick Horrocks Leeves was also born in Rouen, abt.1891, died 22.6.1965, Caernarvonshire, Wales....looking

Regards Barry

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear All,

Super picture!

Note that it should be reversed, however. The spectacles-case in his (top left) pocket gives it away...

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[Terry_Reeves]

Some more information here:

 

http://tinyurl.com/yb97k8c8

 

TR

[sapper5]

Thanks to all for the responses.

 

Mark 19159:  I have the histories of the units in which both men served.  Unfortunately there is no mention of them in the histories.  I can write their stories if I assume that they were with the units in Egypt, Gallipoli and France during the time periods in which they served, but I would like to nail down their movements with a little more accuracy.  May not be possible, I know.

 

18 hours ago, Mark1959 said:

What information are you actually after?

 

1 hour ago, Terry_Reeves said:

Some more information here:

 

http://tinyurl.com/yb97k8c8

 

TR

 

[sapper5]

Here is what I have so far.

Lieutenant

ARTHUR HENRY LEEVES

Royal Engineers

 

		Reference
1850:	Birth of mother, Martha Horrocks
1851:	Birth of father, Frederick William Cox Leeves, in Bristol	Challinor
5 Jun 1889:	Frederick and Martha married in Manchester Cathedral, Lancanshire	England Select Marriages, 1858-1973
1891:	Birth of brother, Frederick Horrocks Leeves, in Rouen, France.	Challinor
1893:	A.H. Leeves: Born in Rouen, France. Father: Frederick William Cox Leeves (born 1851). Mother: Martha Leeves (born 1850) Brother: Frederick Horrocks Leeves (born 1891)	1901 Census
1901:	Residence: Residence: Worsley, Lancashire. Age: 8 Residents in Household Father: Frederick William Cox Leeves (age 50), a mechanical engineer. Mother: Martha Leeves (age 51) Brother: Frederick Horrocks Leeves (age 10) Domestic Servants Margaret Jane Thomas (age 26), Housemaid Winifred Evans (age 20), Cook	1901 Census
1910:	Brother Frederick enters Manchester University Officer Training Corps Master of Arts Degree	Manchester U. Roll of Service
1911:	Residence: Broad Oak Park, Worsley, near Manchester. Age: 18 Single Electrical Engineers Apprentice Residents in Household Father: Frederick William Cox Leeves (age 60), a traveler and salesman. Mother: Martha Leeves (Age 61) Brother: Frederick Horrocks Leeves (Age 20) Domestic Servant Lucy Delaney, age 37, a domestic servant	1911 Census
1913:	A.H. Leeves entered Manchester University. Officers Training Corps Graduated with a Certificate in Techology.	Manchester U. Roll of Service
1915:	As a student, Leeves was admitted to the Institution of Electrical Engineers Address: Residence: Broad Oak Park, Worsley	Journal of the IEE, 1915
17 Jul 1915:	While still attending Manchester University, Leeves was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant in the Royal Engineers as a result of his participation in the Officer Training Corps.	L.G. 18 Aug 1915
17 Jul 1915:	A.H. Leeves posted to the 1st Field Company, East Lancashire Divisional Engineers. (427th Field Company). The company was in Gallipoli on this date.	L.G. 18 Aug 1915
25 Jul 1915:	Cadet Frederick Horrocks Leeves, from Manchester University Contingent, Senior Division, O.T.C. to be 2nd Lieutenant, 1/4th Battalion, The Prince of Wales’s Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment.	L.G. 24 Jul 1915
20 Aug 1915:	A.H. Leeves at Gully Ravine.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
12 Sep 1915:	A.H. Leeves at Bruce’s Ravine.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
14 Oct 1915:	A.H. Leeves at Gully Ravine.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
29 Dec 1915:	A.H. Leeves at Sarpi Camp.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
3 Jan 1916:	A.H. Leeves departs Cape Helles.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
4 Jan 1916:	1st Field Company to Mudros, Greece from Gallipoli.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
14 Jan 1916:	1st Field Company sails from Greece to Egypt.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
17 Jan 1916:	A.H. Leeves arrives in Alexandria.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
1 Jun 1916:	A.H. Leeves promoted to the rank of Lieutenant on 1 July 1917 with precedence from 1 June 1916. Posted to the Royal Engineer Signal Service (Territorial Force) – 42nd Division Signal Company.	L.G. 24 Nov 1917
25Jun 1916:	A.H. Leeves leaves East Lancs Div Engineers to be a temporary Lieutenant in the 42nd East Lancs Div Signal Company	L.G. 24 Jun 1916
	Brother Frederick also attended Manchester University. Served in the Great War as a Lieutenant In the 1/4th Battalion, South Lancashire Regiment, part of the 126th (East Lancashire Brigade), 42nd (East Lancashire) Division. Later Royal Engineers Signals Service (?)-this may be A.H. Leeves. Probable error! Mentioned in Despatches	Manchester U. Roll of Service.
28 Jul 1916:	Brother Frederick appointed a Temporary Lieutenant in the South Lancashire Regiment.	L.G. 9 Aug 1916
4-5 Aug 1916:	42nd Division Signal Company at Rumani.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
25 Dec 1919:	42nd Division Signal Company at Mazar.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
9 Jan 1917:	42nd Division Signal Company at Rafah.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
2 Jun 1917:	Brother Frederick had previously been appointed a Temporary Lieutenant.  On this date he relinquished his temporary rank and reverted to 2nd Lieutenant. He remained seconded to the South Lancashire Regiment	L.G. 1 Jun 1917.
1 Jul 1917:	Brother Frederick promoted to Lieutenant in the South Lancashire Regiment. 4th Battalion (Territorial), 1st Line-Pioneers, Drill Hall, Warrington. Seconded to Royal Engineers Signal Service.	L.G. 19 Oct 1917 A.L. Jun 1919, p. 1265a.
Feb 1918:	42nd Division Signal Company to France.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
24-25 Mar 1918:	42nd Division Signal Company at the Battle of Bapaume.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
28 Mar 1918:	42nd Division Signal Company at the Battle of Arras.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
5 Apr 1918:	42nd Division Signal Company at the Battle of Ancre.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
7 Apr 1918:	Brother Frederick is mentioned in the despatches of Sir Douglas Haig on this date	L.G. 24 May 1918
21-23 Aug 1918”	42nd Division Signal Company at the Battle of Albert.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
31 Aug – 3 Sep 1918	42nd Division Signal Company at the Battle of Bapaume.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
27 Sep – 1 Oct 1918:	42nd Division Signal Company at Canal du Nord.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
8 Oct 1918:	Brother Frederick, 4th Battalion, South Lancashire Regiment, attached to Royal Engineers for Army Signal Service. 8-9 Oct 1918: 42nd Division Signal Company at the Battle of Cambrai.	A.L. Jun 1919, p. 823c. 42nd Div Engrs Hist.
17-25 Oct 1918:	42nd Division Signal Company at the Battle of Selle.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
11 Nov 1918:	Armistice Day; 42nd Division Signal Company at Hautmont.	42nd Div Engrs Hist.
1919:	A.H. Leeves admitted as a Graduate to the Institution of Electrical Engineers Address: Plas Gwylym, Old Colwyn, Colwyn Bay	IEE List 1921
24 Jul 1920:	Lieutenant Frederick H. Leeves posted from the 4th Battalion, South Lancashire Regiment to the 5th (Earl of Chester’s) Battalion, The Cheshire Regiment. Drill Hall, Volunteer Street, Chester.	L.G. 23 Jul 1920 A.L. Dec 1920, p. 1109.
19 Jul 1921:	A.H. Leeves demobilized. With the 42nd (East Lancs) Divisional Engineers (Signals) Resigns his commission Retains the rank of Lieutenant	L.G. 18 Jul 1921
1923:	A.H. Leeves address: Plas Gwylym, Old Colwyn, Colwyn Bay	IEE List 1919-1923
1925:	A.H. Leeves address: Plas Gwylym, Old Colwyn, Colwyn Bay	IEE List 1925
8 Jan 1926:	Brother Frederick applies for Great War medals Lieutenant, South Lancashire Regiment Address: Plas Gwylym, Old Colwyn, Colwyn Bay	MIC
8 Feb 1926:	Brother Frederick issued the British War Medal and Victory Medal.	S. Lancs medal roll
30 Jun 1926:	A.H. Leeves applied for Great War medals.	MIC
15 Jul 1926:	Great War medals issued to A.H. Leeves.	Medal roll
1930:	A.H. Leeves address: Plas Gwylym, Old Colwyn, Colwyn Bay	IEE List 1925-1930
11 Jun 1931:	Death of father in Denbighshire, Wales.	Holdsworth Family Tree
14 Oct 1932:	Brother Frederick marries Marjorie Elizabeth Mary Miller in Thornbury, Gloucestershire.	England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
1938:	A.H. Leeves: Senior Partner in the firm of Leeves & Allen, 64 College Road, Bromley, Greater London	1938 Phone Book
2nd Qtr 1939:	A.H. Leeves marriage to Marjorie Gertrude Richards in Shrewsbury, Shropshire.	Holdsworth Family Tree
Sep 1939:	A.H. Leeves residence: Beaulieu, Shoal Hill, Cannock, Staffordshire.	1939 Register
22 Jun 1965:	Death of brother: Frederick Horrocks Leeves in Caernarvonshire, Wales	Holdsworth Family Tree
23 Jan 1985:	A.H. Leeves died in Shrewsbury, Shropshire at age 92. Address: Radfield, Kennedy Road, Shrewsbury	Probate calendar 1985
12 Apr 1985:	A.H. Leeves’ will probated in Liverpool Effects: £58,202 (about US $264,799 in 2018)	Probate calendar 1985

REFERENCES:
1. Monthly Army List, November 1917.
2. Monthly Army List, July 1921.

3. Holdsworth Family Tree

4. 1939 Register

5. 1901 Census of England.

6. 1911 Census of England.

7. England and Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005

8. England and Wales Death Index, 1916-2007.

9. 1861 Census of England

10. England Select Marriages, 1858-1973

11. England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005

12. Manchester University Roll of Service

13. The London Gazette, 24 July 1915, p. 7293.

14. The London Gazette, 23 July 1920, p. 7830.

15. The London Gazette, 24 November 1917, p. 12293.

16. The London Gazette, 1 June 1917, p. 5416.

17. The London Gazette, 9 August 1916, p. 7865.

18. The London Gazette, 19 October 1917, p. 10754.

19. The London Gazette, 18 July 1921, p. 5711.

20. The London Gazette, 21 May 1918, pp. 6095 and 6096.

21. The London Gazette, 24 June 1916, p. 6312.

22. The London Gazette, 18 August 1915, p. 8249.

23. Army List, June 1919, pp. 823c, 844 and 1265a.

24. Army List, December 1920, pp. 845a and 1109.

25. A History of the East Lancashire Royal Engineers.  George Newnes, Ltd., London, 1920.  (Compiled by members of the Corps and Printed for private circulation).

26. GIBBON, F.P.  The 42^nd (East Lancashire) Division, 1914-1918.  George Newnes, Ltd., London, 1920.

[Keith Brannen]

2 hours ago, sapper5 said:

Brother Frederick also attended Manchester University.

 

Served in the Great War as a Lieutenant

 

• In the 1/4^th Battalion, South Lancashire Regiment, part of the 126^th (East Lancashire Brigade), 42^nd (East Lancashire) Division.

   

• Later Royal Engineers Signals Service (?)-this may be A.H. Leeves. Probable error!

   

• Mentioned in Despatches

 

The 1/4th South Lancashires were not in the 126th Brigade, 42nd Division. That was the 1/4th East Lancashires.

 

See below for the Brigades and Divisions for the 1/4th South Lancashires:

 

http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-infantry-regiments-of-1914-1918/the-prince-of-waless-volunteers-south-lancashire-regiment/

[sapper5]

Well done, Keith!  Thanks for picking up my error.  I had East Lancshires on my mind when working with Arthur Henry Leeves' unit and went off the track.  So Frederick served in the Pioneer Battalion (1/4th Bn, the South Lancs) in the 55th (West Lancashire) Division.  They were not in the same division.  That will produce some changes in my story.