51st Sikhs Posted 28 July , 2018 Share Posted 28 July , 2018 (edited) I am looking to see what the returns were for both Regiments for the years 1913-14. This would be eight regular battalions and was curious of what their overall respective standards were. One account I read recently, I believe in Adrian Gilbert's book on the BEF, in August 1914 mentions a German participant's account (who belonged to a Jager unit that opposed the 2nd RB) mentions the musketry of the latter unit and was full of praise. Any help? Edited 28 July , 2018 by 51st Sikhs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace Posted 28 July , 2018 Share Posted 28 July , 2018 Have a look through this thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51st Sikhs Posted 28 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2018 I’ve seen it before when Martin was here but am looking for specifics. Thanks all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace Posted 28 July , 2018 Share Posted 28 July , 2018 38 minutes ago, 51st Sikhs said: I’ve seen it before when Martin was here but am looking for specifics. Thanks all the same. You're kidding, right? You can find the R.B. and K.R.R.C. specifics in their respective Chronicles, which I believe are referred to several times in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51st Sikhs Posted 28 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2018 (edited) Dave, I am afraid not. You misunderstood what I am after. I am looking for prewar tables for the years 1913-14 for ALL EIGHT REGULAR battalions of BOTH Regiments which I mentioned above. Besides, I know the thread very well and read it avidly before posting this query. They are not mentioned specifically. Hence the question. However if you wish to go through all 27 pages (I saw one of two of your posts) and if you found what I maybe missed I’ll be delighted. Thanks for your trouble. Edited 28 July , 2018 by 51st Sikhs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace Posted 28 July , 2018 Share Posted 28 July , 2018 Maybe I am misunderstanding what you want, I assumed you were looking for something like this: mdp.39015062772846-283-1532800577.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51st Sikhs Posted 28 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2018 This is indeed what I’m looking for. I’ll just have to trawl through both RB and KRRC chronicles to dig them out. They’re available online now via University of Michigan. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace Posted 28 July , 2018 Share Posted 28 July , 2018 You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 29 July , 2018 Share Posted 29 July , 2018 Yahya, Best of luck with that one. The 1913 Chronicle only has the 1st RB as shown by Dave. The 1914 Chronicle is a little more concerned with other matters, such as a war that cropped up. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51st Sikhs Posted 29 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2018 I’ve just discovered that so 1910-1913 would have to do to compare the two Regiments and see how each stood. Thanks as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 29 July , 2018 Share Posted 29 July , 2018 1914 KRRC Chronicle, like the RB version, does not follow the usual peacetime structure and does not even have sections for the 3rd and 4th battalions. I don't yet possess the 1910-1913 volumes and cannot reach them via Hathi due to bogus copyright issues. Earlier volumes follow the same pattern as the RB equivalents examples of which Andy has already posted. Be aware also that riflemen of the KRRC and the RB also regularly entered shooting competitions as a joint Rifle Depot or Green Jacket team, and, as one would expect given the importance laid on musketry by the two rifle regiments, generally doing rather well. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51st Sikhs Posted 29 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2018 Ah! That’s the nub of the matter, important to know that they entered as an joint entity when competing against the rest of the Army. So is it safe to say that the standard of musketry was uniform between the two Regiments? It would seem so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 30 July , 2018 Share Posted 30 July , 2018 Thanks GD - I can see some serious ribbing coming my way from Mr Pay Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 30 July , 2018 Share Posted 30 July , 2018 Mark, I need to say nothing, the results are the proof in the pudding. Oh dear, never mind. What with the identity crisis the KRRC had with continually changing names and now musketry deficiency, well it's all good clean fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 30 July , 2018 Share Posted 30 July , 2018 RSM Jagger, 2/KRRC - winner of King's Medal for Champion Shot in the Army 1925 and 1927 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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