Alan24 Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 A local man, John Hawkins has researched the local (to where I work) war memorial for the 163 names upon it, in Ringwood, Hampshire. I don't know if John is a member of GWF, suspect not. I saw a local display at lunchtime today where he's appealing for info on 5 names not traced to date. Suspect a regiment & service number would be what he is looking for. Regards Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 Brown Soldiers effects shows no R Brown killed or died on 31 July 1918. Melbourne No T Melbourne in the soldier's effects or SDGW. There is a Richard Thomas Melbourne born in Maesteg - he however was in Wales in 1911. Trussell Nothing obvious in SDGW or Effects Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said: Trussell Nothing obvious in SDGW or Effects Think it is this man...Samuel Trussell Tracking a Sapper S Trussell #265819 who was discharged for Sickness in 1919 aged 39...but particulars furnished or for Taviatock Square. Edit discount Sapper...we are looking for a Samuel Trussell aged 23 abt 1897 Andy Edited 13 June , 2018 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 Some men that don't quite fit; 4669 Frank Melbourne, 3rd Hussars, died 19/9/14. Husband of C. Melbourne, of 1, Jubilee Cottage, Ringwood, Hants. 111014 A T Kendall, 44th RF, Son of the late William and Janet Kendall, of Crowe, nr. Ringwood, Hants 23424 Edward Patric Healy, Royal Scots. husband of Bessie Edith Wilson (formerly Healy), of 2, Strides Lane, Ringwood, Hants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac101 Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 Many of the men "missing" from the Galashiels War Memorial I researched died after the end of the war or after they were discharged sick. You need the date that the war memorial panels were installed / carved/ cast. You can then search through the death records/ Local papers etc looking for people who could have served. (This is easier in Scotland as the death certs are on-line). The thing to remember is that the war memorial committee rules for inclusion could have been very different from the CWGC rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 (edited) A T Kendall's names was Albert Tom, so it seems very possible that he was known as Bert. Edit - I see that Bertie Tom Kendall is confirmed in the OP, but not identified correctly. Seems like case closed on that one - https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/78911/kendall,-/ Edited 13 June , 2018 by IPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 (edited) Private 2737 Samuel Trussell 9 Royal Scots, discharged through sickness March 1915? Our S Trussel born in Patricroft Lancashire it seems. Cannot see any Samuel Trussells born in Scotland. Edit noting IPT's Edward Patric Healy..being a Ringwood man in the Royal Scots..then he is a possible. Edited 13 June , 2018 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 (edited) A D Healey...should read E D Healey? A potential is 4736 Pte ED Healey Connaught Rangers...MIC has him as deceased, Medal Roll deceased 25th 4th 1916. Edited 13 June , 2018 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 What do you make of this, Ringwood connection CWGC Private HEALY, EDWARD PATRICK Service Number 23424 Died 25/07/1916 Aged 27 2nd Bn. Royal Scots (Served as SMITH), Son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Alick Healy, of Manchester; husband of Bessie Edith Wilson (formerly Healy), of 2, Strides Lane, Ringwood, Hants. SDGW Kingwood should read Ringwood Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 28 minutes ago, HolymoleyRE said: A D Healey...should read E D Healey? As per post #4. that makes it much more likely to be Edward Patrick (Or Edward Joseph) Healy (or Healey). For whatever reason, he served as Joseph Smith. He seems to have surviving service papers. He married Bessie Edith Carpenter in 1915 in Christchurch, Hampshire. Interestingly, both he and Samuel Trussell appear to have been from Manchester area and served in the Royal Scots. Bolton Remembers - http://boltonremembers.org/name/healy-edward-joseph-private-royal-scots-lothian-regiment/ HEALY, EDWARD PATRICK Service Number 23424 Died 25/07/1916 Aged 27 2nd Bn. Royal Scots (Served as SMITH), Son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Alick Healy, of Manchester; husband of Bessie Edith Wilson (formerly Healy), of 2, Strides Lane, Ringwood, Hants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, IPT said: Interestingly, both he and Samuel Trussell appear to have been from Manchester area and served in the Royal Scots. Twas thinking the same...a misread P as a D very plausible. Edited 13 June , 2018 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 2 minutes ago, RaySearching said: my typing speed must have increased And you look good too. Bessie E Healey married William J Wilson in Ringwood, 1st Qtr 1918. He has some military snippet on FMP, but I don't know what it is - https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search/united-kingdom-records/military-armed-forces-and-conflict?firstname=william j&firstname_variants=true&lastname=wilson&yearofbirth=1889&yearofbirth_offset=10&keywords=ringwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 Name: Edward P Healey Possible Partners: Bessie E. Carpenter... District: Christchurch... County: Hampshire... Year: 1915... Quarter: Apr-Jun... Volume: 2b... Page: 1917... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 Think E P Healey is the E D Healey then?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan24 Posted 13 June , 2018 Author Share Posted 13 June , 2018 Wow, that's a great response from all you guys. There's at least a couple of hot leads there. Did a quick check on Geoff's search engine using 'Ringwood' in the additional info field and found most of the names being proposed but hadn't the time to dig deeper. The Ringwood Meeting House only seems to be open during the lunch hour on Wednesdays but I'll see if I can contact John with all your info before then. One of the things I found with memorials is that they sometimes reflect where the families were living in the 1920s rather than where the soldier may have lived. One of my own relatives is on a village memorial in a place he almost certainly never visited but it just happens that his mother moved there in 1921. Many thanks to all Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan24 Posted 13 June , 2018 Author Share Posted 13 June , 2018 1 hour ago, HolymoleyRE said: A D Healey...should read E D Healey? A potential is 4736 Pte ED Healey Connaught Rangers...MIC has him as deceased, Medal Roll deceased 25th 4th 1916. I'll check the actual memorial tomorrow but suspect you're correct and AD is a mistake. Regards Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 5 minutes ago, Alan24 said: I'll check the actual memorial tomorrow but suspect you're correct and AD is a mistake. Regards Alan. No worries Alan, But was lifted off an image of the memorial.. (Ringwood Memorial Gardens). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 9 minutes ago, Alan24 said: A potential is 4736 Pte ED Healey Connaught Rangers...MIC has him as deceased, Medal Roll deceased 25th 4th 1916. CWGC SDGW MIC soldiers effects all list PTE 4736 as Haley born London enlisted Holborn resided Kings Cross wrong surname no Ringwood connection I think this soldier can be discounted Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 Regarding R. Brown, I note that there is a Reginald Brown on the Ringwood Methodist Church memorial - http://www.mymethodisthistory.org.uk/page_id__342.aspx I suspect this could be 645299 Thomas Reginald Brown, who was born in Poole but appears on the 1901 and 1911 in Ringwood. He also appears to have surviving 1914 papers, with Ringwood as his residence - https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/202492/brown,-thomas-reginald/ ` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 (edited) Thomas Melbourne...age at time of death fits in with Thomas the Butchers YoB. 10 minutes ago, RaySearching said: CWGC SDGW MIC soldiers effects all list PTE 4736 as Haley born London enlisted Holborn resided Kings Cross wrong surname no Ringwood connection I think this soldier can be discounted Ray Concur Ray. Edited 13 June , 2018 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 Gunner 94911 Thomas Melbourne can be discounted too old. 1917 Cas record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 12 minutes ago, HolymoleyRE said: Thomas Melbourne...age at time of death fits in with Thomas the Butchers YoB. Looks very likely. The birth of this man was registered in Ringwood in 1884, and he appears there in 1891 and 1901. His parents are still in Ringwood on the 1911 census. There's a chance that he's the Thomas Melbourne that marries Cecilia Higgins in Bolton in 1907 (Cecilia Melbourne died in Bolton in 1941). This man is living in Bolton in 1911. There are some 1915 and 1920 service/pension papers for a Thomas Melbourne, in Lancashire, born 1884. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 13 June , 2018 Share Posted 13 June , 2018 9 minutes ago, IPT said: The birth of this man was registered in Ringwood in 1884, and he appears there in 1891 and 1901. His parents are still in Ringwood on the 1911 census. Just found his birth reg as you say 1884...but on the 1911 census he is in Bournemouth but abt is 1886...hence I plucked for the 1920 Fareham death. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan24 Posted 14 June , 2018 Author Share Posted 14 June , 2018 9 hours ago, HolymoleyRE said: No worries Alan, But was lifted off an image of the memorial.. (Ringwood Memorial Gardens). Never doubted you for a minute! The display I saw yesterday said that lists printed in parish magazines sometimes showed different initials to those that actually ended up on the memorial. I suspect the AD came from one of those other printed sources. One copy of a parish magazine in their archive has four names in pencil, all of which appear on a smaller additional panel so it's clear that ammendments were made after the initial unveiling. Thanks again for you good work. Regards Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinBattle Posted 14 June , 2018 Share Posted 14 June , 2018 (edited) As others have found much about them, these are the CWGC entries for men with Ringwood connections - except for Trussell BROWN, CHARLES. Captain. Died 25/04/1918. Aged 31. 242nd Siege Bty. Royal Garrison Artillery. Awards: M M Son of Charles and Eliza Brown, of 1, Rose Cottage, Ringwood, Hants. Buried at LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY Plot XXVIII. Row A. Grave 2. HEALY, EDWARD PATRICK. (Served as SMITH), Private. Service Number 23424. Died 25/07/1916. Aged 27. 2nd Bn. Royal Scots. Son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Alick Healy, of Manchester; husband of Bessie Edith Wilson (formerly Healy), of 2, Strides Lane, Ringwood, Hants. Commemorated at THIEPVAL MEMORIAL: Pier and Face 6 D and 7 D. KENDALL, A T. (AlBert) Private. Service Number G/111014. Died 27/02/1919. Aged 31. 44th Garrison Bn. Royal Fusiliers Son of the late William and Janet Kendall, of Crowe, nr. Ringwood, Hants; husband of Edith Kendall, of Castletop, Burley, nr. Brockenhurst, Hants. Buried at ABBEVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION: Plot V. Row G. Grave 8. MELBOURNE, FRANK. Private. Service Number 4669. Died 19/09/1914. Aged 32. (misread "F" in copperplate script, or a relative with Ringwood link?) 3rd (King's Own) Hussars Husband of C. Melbourne, of 1, Jubilee Cottage, Ringwood, Hants. Buried at VAILLY BRITISH CEMETERY: Plot I. Row AA. Grave 28. Others have broken the back of this enquiry, but for reference, I attach the Ringwood extract from CWGC for WW1. Ringwood WW1 CasualtySearch_14_06_2018_11_03.csv Edited 14 June , 2018 by KevinBattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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