stevenbecker Posted 25 April , 2018 Share Posted 25 April , 2018 Mates, Do you have any details on this man? He is shown as; 2/Lt att No2 CTC depot to RCo/CTC 9-17 I could not find who he is but I record him in the CTC in Egypt/Palestine during the war? Any ideas welcome S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 Hello Odd how there is nothing on google for a Lord what is your source of info ? maybe a typo in name ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 (edited) The 'Roll of Baronets' shown on the London Gazette of 1915 mentions this man - perhaps the family surname is Maxwell ? Craig Edited 27 April , 2018 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 (edited) Maxwell of Cardoness is/was a Scottish baronetcy- one of the baronets being the subject of a verse by Robert Burns. As such, "Lord" is wrong as a Baronet is a hereditary "Sir". Your man is likely to be a casualty of the Great War, if you have records of him in the Middle East. The IWM listing of war memorials has one on the Cardoness estate, up in Scotland- which,inter alia, says: SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF/ WILLIAM FRANCIS JOHN/ MAXWELL/ LIEUTENANT 5TH KING'S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS, ONLY/ SON OF SIR WILLIAM FRANCIS MAXWELL OF CARDONESS BART./ FELL IN ACTION AT GALLIPOLI ON 13TH AUGUST 1915 AGED 30/ YEARS. FEARLESS AND BRAVE IN WAR, GENTLE AND/ AFFECTIONATE IN PEACE HE WON THE APPROVAL OF HIS/ GENERAL, THE ADMIRATION OF HIS COMRADES, AND/ THE LOVE OF ALL WHO KNEW HIM./ SUB UMBRA ALARUM TUARUM PROTEGE NOS Edited 27 April , 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 Maxwell of Cardoness is/was a Scottish baronetcy- one of the baronets being the subject of a verse by Robert Burns. As such, "Lord" is wrong as a Baronet is a hereditary "Sir". Your man is likely to be a casualty of the Great War, if you have records of him in the Middle East. The IWM listing of war memorials has one on the Cardoness estate, up in Scotland- which,inter alia, says: SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF/ WILLIAM FRANCIS JOHN/ MAXWELL/ LIEUTENANT 5TH KING'S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS, ONLY/ SON OF SIR WILLIAM FRANCIS MAXWELL OF CARDONESS BART./ FELL IN ACTION AT GALLIPOLI ON 13TH AUGUST 1915 AGED 30/ YEARS. FEARLESS AND BRAVE IN WAR, GENTLE AND/ AFFECTIONATE IN PEACE HE WON THE APPROVAL OF HIS/ GENERAL, THE ADMIRATION OF HIS COMRADES, AND/ THE LOVE OF ALL WHO KNEW HIM./ SUB UMBRA ALARUM TUARUM PROTEGE NOS Interesting. I wondered if his father might still be a baron - not a Lord of Parliament, but a Scottish feudal baron. See this link (apologies, Wikipedia but it seems OK): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barons_in_Scotland However as far as the title is concerned, the baronetcy would outrank the feudal barony. RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 SUB UMBRA ALARUM TUARUM PROTEGE NOS 'Under the shadow of thy wings', apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 (edited) Steve, You are looking for Lord Ronald Douglas Stuart Mar CARDROSS Harry Edit to add: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29140/page/3957 Edited 27 April , 2018 by HarryBrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 50 minutes ago, HarryBrook said: Steve, You are looking for Lord Ronald Douglas Stuart Mar CARDROSS Harry Edit to add: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29140/page/3957 Good spot- next Lord Lyon King of Arms perhaps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 (edited) Ronald Douglas Stuart Mar Erskine, 15th Earl of Buchan, - styled as Lord Cardross between 1898 and 1934: http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I83490&tree=CC http://www.thepeerage.com/p2889.htm#i28888 JP Edited 27 April , 2018 by helpjpl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 1 hour ago, HarryBrook said: You are looking for Lord Ronald Douglas Stuart Mar CARDROSS Actually, you are looking for Lord Cardross, whose forenames were Ronald Douglas Stuart Mar. Sorry to be pedantic but there is a difference. Kelly's Directory for 1921 says that Ronald Douglas Stuart Mar Erskine, Lord Cardross, was the only son of the earl of Buchan. Born 1878, served in S Africa 1900-02, lieutenant Scots Guards 1901-05, transport officer (hon lt) London Mounted Brigade Field Ambulance 1915, transport officer 8 Mounted Brigade 1916-17, attached to Camel Transport Corps. gyptian EF 1917, Address 6 Alford St, Park Lane, W1; member of the Bachelors' Club. There is no connection with the Maxwell baronetcy of Cardoness. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 34 minutes ago, helpjpl said: Ronald Douglas Stuart Mar Erskine, 15th Earl of Buchan, - styled as Lord Cardross between 1898 and 1934: http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I83490&tree=CC http://www.thepeerage.com/p2889.htm#i28888 JP And from The Plantagenet Roll of The Blood Royal - page 221: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uOHHuwI8tD4C&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221&dq=Ronald+Douglas+Stuart+Mar+Erskine&source=bl&ots=v5gdKz8_cB&sig=uZIzmQMj5Q9v__jTMv0pLrwKSig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzpJnT-9raAhUHbcAKHXHQDVIQ6AEwDXoECAAQXA#v=onepage&q&f=false JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 Always helps to get the right name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 Other London Gazette notifications relating to the Great War service of Lord Cardross https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29624/supplement/5975 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31163/supplement/1894 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 (edited) I was looking in debretts but was clearly looking for the wrong thing Edited 27 April , 2018 by Coldstreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 27 April , 2018 Share Posted 27 April , 2018 Mates, Many thanks, yes another problem dealing with Routine Orders and war dairies where they don't spell names correctly. Not the first man I have found and not the last amoung many I still can't find. Thanks for sorting this bloke out, I could make the jump from Cardness to Cardross not knowing Scottish Lords. Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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