RAVC Posted 19 February , 2018 Share Posted 19 February , 2018 My wife's family believe that her maternal grandfather had some connection to the Inns of Court Regiment in, we assume, 1918. He was born in early 1900. We are unable to find any information regarding his "service" either as an Officer Cadet or as an "Other Rank" as part of the training staff. His name was Allan Dudley Clarke (ADC) Sanders. Just for information we beleive that after the war he was employed by Shell in London. In 1938 he attested to the Royal Artillery(TA). He was in the 54th Heavy Anti Aircraft Regiment in London and did spend sometime at the Infantry Training Unit in Colchester on Coast Defence/Anti Aircraft duty. At the end of the war he was a WO2 (Gunnery instructor?). In 1947 the 54th become 454th HAA RA TA City of London Regiment. At some point he was commissioned to Lt and then in 1950 to Captain. It is believed that during WW2 he did not get posted overseas. His original service number was 878564 but in the London Gazette entry of 1950 his number is given as 394967. Did chaps get a new number when commissioning from the ranks? We still have his kit bag from his 454th days which has the number S7S5564 stencilled on it but have no idea what that relates to. Any information regarding the Inns of Court Reg and his possible association with it will be greatly appreciated. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 19 February , 2018 Admin Share Posted 19 February , 2018 As he served later than 1921 the MOD may have his service record. Details of how to apply (it does cost £30) can be found here https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records Good luck with your search David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 19 February , 2018 Share Posted 19 February , 2018 He was commissioned as a Lieutenant in the Royal Artillery, Territorial Army, on 22 June 1948 from W.O. Class II, when his number changed from 878564 to 394967 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/38421/supplement/5290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 19 February , 2018 Admin Share Posted 19 February , 2018 Might be worth getting in touch with these folks re his possible ww1 service (before we get jumped on by Mods for straying away from ww1) http://www.iccy.org.uk/devils-own.html David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAVC Posted 19 February , 2018 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2018 Very much appreciated DO & HB.....I'll get my Brother-in-law on to the MOD search. Cheers, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 19 February , 2018 Share Posted 19 February , 2018 (edited) There is a free readable book on 'The Inns of Court O.T.C', if you Google that. Written by Lt. Col. Errington who was the wartime c.o, this was published in 1922. Also has an appendix listing 'the rank and file' (app. 2) Mike. Edited 19 February , 2018 by MikeyH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAVC Posted 19 February , 2018 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2018 Thanks very much MikeyH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAVC Posted 19 February , 2018 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2018 Found him! Thanks to all of you! SANDERS. Allan Dudley Clarke A/13072, 15/5/18. L/C; r/r. K.R. Ril. C. 7/4/19. M G C. ; L/C 6 Preston Road. Leytonstone, E. 11. what is L/C? early form of L/Cpl aka Lance Corporal? K. R. = King's Rifles? M G C= Machine Gun Corps? 7/4/19? Discharge date? Thanks in advance for any explanations! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 19 February , 2018 Share Posted 19 February , 2018 L/C =Lance Corporal K R Ril C = King's Royal Rifle Corps M G C = Machine Gun Corps I think the dates are the dates of joining the units, but the punctuation has me baffled about which date goes with which unit. RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAVC Posted 19 February , 2018 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2018 Thanks RM So we assume he wasn't an "Officer Cadet" then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimE Posted 19 February , 2018 Share Posted 19 February , 2018 In the N & M reprint instead of SANDERS. Allan Dudley Clarke A/13072, 15/5/18. L/C; r/r. K.R. Ril. C. 7/4/19. M G C. ; L/C 6 Preston Road. Leytonstone, E. 11. it shows a slight difference SANDERS, Allan Dudley Clarke A/13072, 15/5/18, L/C; trfr. K.R. Rif. C., 7/4/19, M. G. C. ; L/C 6 Preston Road. Leytonstone, E. 11. There is a key on page 70 so I think this means: Joined Inns of Court OTC on 15/5/18 in A company number 13072 and reached L/Cpl. He then transferred to Kings Royal Rifle Corps on 7/4/19 (without obtaining commission) and then to Machine Gun Corps, where his highest rank was L/Cpl. He was never actually an Officer Cadet. He received training in the ranks that would normally have led to joining an officer cadet battalion, but instead was transferred to KRRC Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAVC Posted 19 February , 2018 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2018 Thanks very much Jim. What's the N&M? That makes sense although we are still confused by the fact we cannot find him on any of the "records" sites for 1918/19 and into the 1920s. Are we probably right in thinking that he didn't end up in France or Belgium in the closing months of the year? Cheers, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimE Posted 19 February , 2018 Share Posted 19 February , 2018 N & M is the publisher Naval and Military Press, who have a reprint of the book mentioned in post 6 He remained in the Inns of Court Regiment until 7 April 1919. The regiment provided initial training in the ranks for men who were likely to go for training as officers, so the unit never went overseas. It was at Berkhamsted in Hertfordshire, with a headquarters in London. Almost certainly he will have been at Berkhamsted, under canvas (or in billets in the winter), training locally from the time he joined until transferring to KRRC. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAVC Posted 20 February , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 February , 2018 Again many thanks for another helpful response Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 20 February , 2018 Share Posted 20 February , 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, RAVC said: which has the number S7S5564 stencilled on it For S read 8 - it looks like his service number, with an extra 5 inserted - probably by mistake. Ron Edited 20 February , 2018 by Ron Clifton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAVC Posted 20 February , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 February , 2018 You are spot on Ron. Thanks for pointing out our stupid mistake. Many thanks, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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