Alan24 Posted 7 February , 2018 Share Posted 7 February , 2018 R/33942 RFM. Douglas John Carlisle KRRC This query started with the purchase of the above soldier’s Victory Medal last weekend, in Winchester, quite close to the Rifle Depot. I’m intrigued as to whether him having TWO KRRC service numbers and a TR Training Reserve number in between those two is unusual. His SWB record shows he enlisted 16.11.1915 and was discharged 07.11.1917 age 20 years & 357 days. This suggests that he enlisted on the day of his 19th birthday, with a date of birth of 16.11.1896 However, FreeBMD, London Schools Register and Baptism Records confirm his date of birth as 16.10.1897 making him only 18 years & 1 month upon enlistment. His Attestation Form shows “19 years” as his age but intriguingly at some point, the following has been added, “Born 16-10-97 (certificate produced)” and at the top of the form is written “Held to serve” Now, I’m assuming that his real age was found out fairly quickly and he was prevented from going overseas until he was of age but not sure why that fact did was not picked up again when the SWB rolls was written. He actually went overseas as part of a draft on 25.10.16 when he would have been 19 years and 9 days old and immediately posted to 2nd Battalion KRRC from No. 1 Infantry Base Depot, Le Harve. His path runs like this; Living in Hackney, he enlisted 16.11.1915 Central Recruiting Office Whitehall, London Winchester Rifle Depot 24.11.1915 issued the number R/17005. Posted 14th Battalion KRRC Seaford 27.11.1915 Transferred to Training Reserve Battalion on 01.09.1916 when 14/KRRC absorbed into 4th Reserve Battalion and issued new number TR 13/402 still at Seaford. Posted overseas 25.10.1916 and issued new number R/33942 at No. 1 Infantry base depot to join 2nd Btn. KRRC. The medal Rolls around the number R/33942 also list the men in alphabetical order by name in number sequence suggesting this was a larger group transfer, well organised. The second part to this story is just as intriguing… According to FreeBMD he died approx. one year (Q4 1918) after discharge (sickness). Neither the Medal Rolls or MIC note that the man was deceased so assume the Army was never informed. There is no record of him on CWGC. His service record records that he was discharged with Nephritis (inflammation of kidneys) and it was uncertain if this was permanent but may last up to 12 months. It also states that this WAS the result of active service, due to exposure. I think that this could be a case of non-commemoration which needs addressing. My next step is to obtain his Death Certificate and hopefully make a case for him to be remembered in the CWGC memorials. It would be great to find his grave, presumably close to Holy Trinity, Hackney N1. That would complete this story. All this from buying a medal in an antiques market. Regards Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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