mark holden Posted 28 June , 2017 Share Posted 28 June , 2017 I would be grateful if anyone could definitively confirm or otherwise if this is a M1874/87 ammunition pouch the reason I ask is the internal configuration appears to be different from all those I have found on the internet? Any assistance most gratefully received. thanks Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 28 June , 2017 Share Posted 28 June , 2017 Hello Mark, there is a specialist with a wonderful collection here: http://feldgrau.pytalhost.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?36635-Deutsche-Patronentaschen&highlight=patronentaschen Maybe it´s helpful. If you want, I can get you in touch. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 29 June , 2017 Share Posted 29 June , 2017 Hello Mark! To me it´s an ammo-pouch M87/88 Each army corps had their own clothing offices ("Bekleidungsamt"). Only the third bavarian didn´t have such an office. During the war, only for that corps, a Bekleidungs-Depot ("clothing-depot") was founded. So a lot of items of that depot got the stamp B.D.IIII. The number 152 was a number for ammo-pouches. There are other numbers well-known. By example numbers 149 and 154. I attached a page from the book "Die feldgraue Uniform des deutschen Heeres 1907-1918, vol. I" (by Jürgen Kraus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 29 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 June , 2017 Hello Grey C and The Prussian, Thank you very much for solving the mystery the information on the website and from the book is excellent. Thanks again Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 29 June , 2017 Share Posted 29 June , 2017 Hi Mark! The entire book is brilliant! Unfortunately only in german language https://www.militaria.at/Book.aspx?book=4074840&Language=de Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 29 June , 2017 Share Posted 29 June , 2017 5 minutes ago, The Prussian said: Hi Mark! The entire book is brilliant! Unfortunately only in german language https://www.militaria.at/Book.aspx?book=4074840&Language=de It is indeed an excellent resource! I would simply add that the same model Patronentasche (87/88) is shown with photographs in another excellent but less detailed reference work, also in German, by the same author: J.Kraus, Die deutsche Armee im Ersten Weltkrieg, on p. 601, where he notes that (rough translation): "This older model was carried [in World War One] by the Pionere, Fussartillerie, Munitinskolonnen und Trainformationen, who did not need to carry so much ammunition ... it can contain three cartridge cases for five cartridges each". The one that is shown here has what looks to be a private makers stamp just below the buckle loop on the front. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 29 June , 2017 Share Posted 29 June , 2017 Hello Julian! "The one that is shown here has what looks to be a private makers stamp just below the buckle loop on the front." Do you mean the 152 B.D.III.1916? Well, Dr. Kraus wrote several excellent books (you´ll find on the publisher´s link above) I also can recommend the histories of formations like this one from the infantry: https://www.militaria.at/Book.aspx?book=692208&Language=en Each unit of all branches will we published during the years! Me and a few other persons help Dr. Kraus with that books. I don´t know him personally, but we have regulary email contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 29 June , 2017 Share Posted 29 June , 2017 Hi again, in the Feldgrauforum Amberg cites A. Kruk author on a book of ammo-pouches: "Patronentasche M74/87 for Landwehr, Landsturm etc."Same as Modell M.74 but with Trageschlaufen (carrying loops) as of 1887 and a carry-ring for connection with Tornisters. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 30 June , 2017 Share Posted 30 June , 2017 On 30/06/2017 at 03:48, The Prussian said: ..."The one that is shown here has what looks to be a private makers stamp just below the buckle loop on the front." ... Do you mean the 152 B.D.III.1916? Me and a few other persons help Dr. Kraus with that books. I don´t know him personally, but we have regulary email contact Hi Andy, No, I mean the one in the 2004 Die deutsche Armee im... p.601 is this, reproduced here as 'fair use'... Oh, and while I remember, in J.Kraus, Die feldgraue..., the text for the S.84/98 on p. 472 and the caption / drawing of this on p. 477, no. 2, needs correcting... What he describes and shows is actually a S.84/78 a.A. - an S.71/84 converted to fit the Gew.98 (as he writes in the text), the 'hump-backed' shape of the grip (compare it with the S.71/84 he shows).The S.84/98 n.A., introduced in late 1914/early 1915, has a straight back to the grip.... Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 30 June , 2017 Share Posted 30 June , 2017 Ah, ok, Julian. I misunderstood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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