latcho Posted 28 April , 2017 Share Posted 28 April , 2017 Can anyone help me with finding info on William Henry Turner kia in France in 1916, lived in Bloxwich served in South Staffs regiment 1/5 Battalion,sevice no 9013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 29 April , 2017 Share Posted 29 April , 2017 is this your man? First name(s) William Henry Last name Turner Service number 9013 Rank Private Regiment South Staffordshire Regiment Battalion 1/5th Battalion (Territorial Force). Birth place Pelsall, Staffs Residence - Enlistment place Bloxwich, Staffs Death year 1916 Death day 3 Death month 4 Cause of death Killed in action Death place France & Flanders Theatre of war Western European Theatre Supplementary Notes - Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Posted 29 April , 2017 Share Posted 29 April , 2017 (edited) Here is his entry in Soldiers Died in the Great War: Name:William Henry Turner Birth Place:Pelsall, Staffs Death Date:3 Apr 1916 Death Place:France and Flanders Enlistment Place:Bloxwich, Staffs Rank:Private Regiment:South Staffordshire Regiment Battalion:1st 5th Battalion (Territorial Force) Regimental Number:9013 Type of Casualty:Killed in action Theatre of War:Western European Theatre His Soldiers' Effects record shows he died 'on or since' 03.04.16. His War Gratuity of £6 10s indicates he enlisted in October 1914. He may have been a widower - his gratuity is shared amongst his children - Dora, Elsie and William. There may be more details to be found in the 1901 & 1911 Censuses. His Medal Index Card shows he entered France on 5th March 1915 - and that he was later re-numbered 200518. He was awarded the 1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal for his service. Here is his CWGC record. Mike Edited 29 April , 2017 by Langdon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 29 April , 2017 Share Posted 29 April , 2017 now we have an issue of differing numbers? this from forceswarrecords, previous from findmypast. First Name: William Henry Initials: W H Surname: Turner Birth Town: Pelsall, Staffs. Resided Town: Bloxwich, Staffs. Nationality: British Date of Death: 03/04/1916 Fate: Killed in Action Rank: Private Service Number: 200516 Duty Location: France And Flanders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 29 April , 2017 Share Posted 29 April , 2017 11 minutes ago, Langdon said: and that he was later numbered 200518 typo? 200518 or 22516? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 29 April , 2017 Share Posted 29 April , 2017 (edited) War Diary of the 1/5th has him named as missing on the 2nd April 1916. It would he appear he was occupying a Trench position forward of Neuville and St Vaast, which was blown by a German Mine. Edited 29 April , 2017 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 29 April , 2017 Share Posted 29 April , 2017 re-numbering seems very strange if he was already missing believed dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 29 April , 2017 Share Posted 29 April , 2017 A man would be listed as missing for 6 months plus before being declared dead (unless proof could be found) During this time the man would be renumbered as normal if it crossed with the territorial force renumbering, it's a relatively common thing to see. In the army's eyes you were still part of the battalion until officially declared dead. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hywyn Posted 29 April , 2017 Share Posted 29 April , 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jonbem said: re-numbering seems very strange if he was already missing believed dead? Death was usually not accepted until much later. When renumbering took place his status was Missing. snap Edited 29 April , 2017 by Hywyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latcho Posted 30 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2017 Thank you to all who replied to my query,all information has helped enormously, once again thanks to all Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 26 May , 2020 Share Posted 26 May , 2020 (edited) Two pension records at WFA/Fold3 under Regtl. No. 9013 1st card: Mother: Mrs Susanah Turner, 112 Little Bloxwich, Walsall - pension refused 2nd card: Guardian of children: Mrs Sarah Ann Lamb, 2 Field Street, Bloxwich - pension paid for motherless children of 15/- pw from 18.12.16 = Dora Winifred b.4.2.1906 = William James b.26.1.1908 = Elsie May b.1.5.1910 Edited 26 May , 2020 by Matlock1418 Additions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latcho Posted 26 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2020 On 29/04/2017 at 01:33, jonbem said: typo? 200518 or 22516? 200518, thank you for reply mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latcho Posted 26 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2020 24 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Two pension records at WFA/Fold3 under Regtl. No. 9013 Mother: Mrs Susanah Turner living at 112 Little Bloxwich, Walsall - pension refused Thank you for providing this very useful information. from a grateful Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latcho Posted 26 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2020 51 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Two pension records at WFA/Fold3 under Regtl. No. 9013 1st card: Mother: Mrs Susanah Turner, 112 Little Bloxwich, Walsall - pension refused 2nd card: Guardian of children: Mrs Sarah Ann Lamb, 2 Field Street, Bloxwich - pension paid for motherless children of 15/- pw from 18.12.16 = Dora Winifred b.4.2.1906 = William James b.26.1.1908 = Elsie May b.1.5.1910 Thank you for very prompt information, very helpful indeed. regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeClarke Posted 28 May , 2020 Share Posted 28 May , 2020 Hi His wife, sarah, died on 16 January 1911 aged just 28 years. Pic below. Can I ask what your interest is in him. he is commemorated on the Walsall, Bloxwich, Christ Church Blakenall Heath and Pelsall War Memorial Addendum rolls of honour. Regards, Graeme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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