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William Henry Turner


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Can anyone help me with finding info on William Henry Turner kia in France in 1916,

lived in Bloxwich served in South Staffs regiment 1/5 Battalion,sevice no 9013

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First name(s) William Henry
Last name Turner
Service number 9013
Rank Private
Regiment South Staffordshire Regiment
Battalion 1/5th Battalion (Territorial Force).
Birth place Pelsall, Staffs
Residence -
Enlistment place Bloxwich, Staffs
Death year 1916
Death day 3
Death month 4
Cause of death Killed in action
Death place France & Flanders
Theatre of war Western European Theatre
Supplementary Notes -
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain
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Here is his entry in Soldiers Died in the Great War:

Name:William Henry Turner

Birth Place:Pelsall, Staffs

Death Date:3 Apr 1916

Death Place:France and Flanders

Enlistment Place:Bloxwich, Staffs

Rank:Private

Regiment:South Staffordshire Regiment

Battalion:1st 5th Battalion (Territorial Force)

Regimental Number:9013

Type of Casualty:Killed in action

Theatre of War:Western European Theatre

 

His Soldiers' Effects record shows he died 'on or since' 03.04.16. His War Gratuity of £6 10s indicates he enlisted in October 1914. He may have been a widower - his gratuity is shared amongst his children - Dora, Elsie and William. There may be more details to be found in the 1901 & 1911 Censuses.

His Medal Index Card shows he entered France on 5th March 1915 - and that he was later re-numbered 200518. He was awarded the 1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal for his service.

Here is his CWGC record.

 

Mike

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now we have an issue of differing numbers? this from forceswarrecords, previous from findmypast.

 

First Name: William Henry
Initials: W H
Surname: Turner
Birth Town: Pelsall, Staffs.
Resided Town: Bloxwich, Staffs.
Nationality: British
Date of Death: 03/04/1916
Fate: Killed in Action
Rank: Private
Service Number: 200516
Duty Location: France And Flanders
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11 minutes ago, Langdon said:

and that he was later numbered 200518

typo? 200518 or 22516?

 

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War Diary of the 1/5th has him named as missing on the 2nd April 1916. It would he appear he was occupying a Trench position forward of Neuville and St Vaast, which was blown by a German Mine.

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re-numbering seems very strange if he was already missing believed dead?

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A man would be listed as missing for 6 months plus before being declared dead  (unless proof could be found)

 

During this time the man would be renumbered as normal if it crossed with the territorial force renumbering, it's a relatively common thing to see. In the army's eyes you were still part of the battalion until officially declared dead.

 

Craig

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13 minutes ago, jonbem said:

re-numbering seems very strange if he was already missing believed dead?

Death was usually not accepted until much later. When renumbering took place his status was Missing.

 

 

 

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  • 3 years later...

Two pension records at WFA/Fold3 under Regtl. No. 9013

1st card: Mother: Mrs Susanah Turner, 112 Little Bloxwich, Walsall - pension refused

2nd card: Guardian of children: Mrs Sarah Ann Lamb, 2 Field Street, Bloxwich - pension paid for motherless children of 15/- pw from 18.12.16

= Dora Winifred b.4.2.1906

= William James b.26.1.1908

= Elsie May b.1.5.1910

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24 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Two pension records at WFA/Fold3 under Regtl. No. 9013

Mother: Mrs Susanah Turner living at 112 Little Bloxwich, Walsall - pension refused

Thank you for providing this very useful information.

from a grateful Mike.

 

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51 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Two pension records at WFA/Fold3 under Regtl. No. 9013

1st card: Mother: Mrs Susanah Turner, 112 Little Bloxwich, Walsall - pension refused

2nd card: Guardian of children: Mrs Sarah Ann Lamb, 2 Field Street, Bloxwich - pension paid for motherless children of 15/- pw from 18.12.16

= Dora Winifred b.4.2.1906

= William James b.26.1.1908

= Elsie May b.1.5.1910

Thank you for very prompt information, very helpful indeed.

regards Mike

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Hi

 

His wife, sarah, died on 16 January 1911 aged just 28 years.

 

Pic below.

 

Can I ask what your interest is in him. he is commemorated on the Walsall, Bloxwich, Christ Church Blakenall Heath and Pelsall War Memorial Addendum rolls of honour.

 

Regards,

 

Graeme

turner wh ssr.jpg

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