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When did Arthur die ?


deano

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Hello guys,

Arthur Ernest Sterland    #37664 9th KOYLI

CWGC headstone says 16/9/16

CWGC details on their site says 29/9/16

SDGW says 16/9/16

Soldier effects says 26/9/16

Medal Rolls says 26/9/16

Death Notice posted by his wife in local paper says 'reported missing, now reported KIA on 26/9/16

 

Cant see any papers on Anc

MIC only states KIA

Don't know what Oversea Deaths GRO Index says.

Any help or thoughts much appreciated.

 

Dean.

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Hello

 

According to some of this family members via Ancestry.co.uk it says KIA 16\9\1916

 

John

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Soldiers Effects is the most likely to be correct- the army pay clerks used the original soldier's service files, the ones destroyed by fire. MIC is from same source.

   Try the War Diary- can often elucidate the matter- ie whether the unit was in the front line and in action or in billets. CWGC can often be wrong.

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"From Pontefract to Picardy" has his death 16 Sep 1916 and burial at Ville-sur-Ancre .

 

9 KOYLI were in the failed attack on Gueudecourt. OR casualties - 43 killed , 180 wounded 153 missing. Total fatal casualties were finalised at 121 . Only 15 have known burial places.

 

CWGC registration report states 16 Sep

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Thanks guys, not really sure which date still, but thanks for the input.

 

Merry Christmas everyone !!

 

Dean.

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Dean

 

The date may have been fixed after a Roll Call in the period after the action, who knew what, who saw what, what info filtered back in respect of wounded and missing etc. I have seen War Diaries which declare death dates based on the fact that missing men, in the absence of certainty,were declared dead on Roll Call day. I have to admit though,a Roll Call must surely have been made here before the 26th ! Who will ever know ?

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Just now, sotonmate said:

Dean

 

The date may have been fixed after a Roll Call in the period after the action, who knew what, who saw what, what info filtered back in respect of wounded and missing etc. I have seen War Diaries which declare death dates based on the fact that missing men, in the absence of certainty,were declared dead on Roll Call day. I have to admit though,a Roll Call must surely have been made here before the 26th ! Who will ever know ?

Your right, the key point has to be that there is sometimes a difference between 'actual' dates and 'administrative' dates. That being said the SDGW death is often a week or so earlier than the CWGC/Effects records so I'd be interested in where they got the date as I thought they all came via the original field / hospital reports.


Craig

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