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Has anyone looked into this case? I could not find any reference in a search but I would think that the records must have some mention of a soldier that was the sole person buried in the floor of the St. Julien Church.

 

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Cleaning up loose ends and classifying cases. This one always puzzled me, as you would think that someone recorded the event. It is not that he was buried in the church graveyard, he was buried under the floor.

 

Logically this would be around 24 April 1915 when the Canadians and British were very active in St. Julien.

 

Initially I thought it might be Lieutenant Colonel George Herbert SHaw, V.D. (Volunteer Officers' Decoration), as he was the most senior officer killed at that time. THe war diary reports his death (page 10 of 538). On the previous page it says they were at 28.C.24.a but swung to the north towards St. Julien, where they came under heavy rifle and machine gun fire. His unit was not one of those in the centre of St. Julien. The problem with Shaw is that I would have expected to have seen some reference to an Officer if it was him.

 

The others that were known to be in the area and are missing: (nobody stands out other than Shaw)

 

surname forename initials death rank regiment unit #
SHAW, V.D. GEORGE HUBERT G H 24-04-15 Lieutenant Colonel East Yorkshire Regiment 4th Bn.  
EVANS SAMUEL S 24-04-15 Private King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 2nd Bn. '16629'
FIRTH WILLIAM W 24-04-15 Private King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 2nd Bn. '12489'
HUNTER CHARLES GAWAIN RALEIGH C G R 24-04-15 Lieutenant King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 2nd Bn.  
HUTCHINSON JOHN THOMAS J T 24-04-15 Lance Corporal King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 2nd Bn. '8702'
LINDLEY TOM T 24-04-15 Private King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 2nd Bn. '12379'
RYAN LAWRENCE L 24-04-15 Private King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 2nd Bn. '3/1492'
BIRKS GEORGE EDWIN G E 24-04-15 Private King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 2nd Bn. '3/2084'
CLEGG HARRY EDWIN H E 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '3378'
DAVIES JOHN SEWELL J S 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '2065'
FARRAR HOWARD ALAN H A 24-04-15 Corporal London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '1474'
FISHER WILFRED W 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) "D" Coy. 1st/9th Bn. '2551'
FORD PERCY GORDON P G 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '3250'
HERFORD FRANCIS MACKAY F M 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '2294'
HILL FRANCIS WILLIAM F W 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '1916'
JOINER CHARLES C 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '3857'
PURKIS HARRY WILLIAM H W 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '2586'
REYNOLDS JOHN RICHARD J R 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '3613'
VANRYN DAVID D 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '3448'
HALL STANLEY ALFRED S A 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '3368'
WILKINSON LEONARD L R 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '2240'
WILSON EDWARD HENRY E H 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '2056'
SMITH SYDNEY WILLIAM S W 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '1873'
NEWLING ROLAND R 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) "A" Coy. 1st/9th Bn. '2364'
BRINTON ROBERT CECIL R C 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '2376'
GIBBONS REGINALD LIONEL R L 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) 1st/9th Bn. '1053'
CASEY JEREMIAH J 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) "D" Coy. 1st/12th Bn. '1116'
COLES HERBERT H 24-04-15 Serjeant London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '505'
COLLINS WILLIAM FRANCIS CHARLES W F C 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '1934'
FINCHAM FRANK F 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '2154'
HARVEY FREDERICK F 24-04-15 Serjeant London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '120'
HILLEARD PAUL JAMES P J 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '2518'
KILLICK THOMAS T 24-04-15 Serjeant London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '1203'
POTTER REGINALD VICTOR R V 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '2517'
PREDDY ALFRED HARRY A H 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '1321'
TILDESLEY FREDERICK WILLIAM F W 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '2441'
TOONE ERNEST E 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '2046'
WHILES SIDNEY HERBERT S H 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '1886'
SCHULZ HARRY ALBERT H A 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '2341'
ANDREWS WILLIAM FRANK W F 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '2426'
BAKER ARTHUR ASTBURY A A 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) "B" Coy. 1st/12th Bn. '2286'
BONNETT ROBERT R 24-04-15 Rifleman London Regiment (The Rangers) 1st/12th Bn. '2681'
CONNELL THOMAS T 24-04-15 Lance Corporal Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '9487'
FARRELL ROBERT R 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '3739'
FLYNN JOHN J 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '9208'
HOLDING HARRY M. H M 24-04-15 Lance Corporal Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '10129'
LEAHY THOMAS T 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '7199'
LYNCH PETER P 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '10131'
TIERNEY PATRICK P 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '10027'
WILLIAMS THOMAS T 24-04-15 Lance Corporal Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '8609'
WALSH EDWARD E 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '9692'
WARD THOMAS T 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '4072'
NOLAN PETER P 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '9778'
O'BRIEN JAMES J 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '10097'
ROCHE EDWARD E 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '4033'
BISHOP WILLIAM W 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '4498'
BREEN JOSEPH J 24-04-15 Private Royal Irish Regiment 1st Bn. '4660'
BUMSTEAD JOHN J 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '9460'
CHILVERS GEORGE HENRY G H 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '15290'
CLARKE PERCY P 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment "E" Coy. 1st Bn. '5362'
CLARKSON FREDERICK ROBERT F R 24-04-15 Serjeant Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '8147'
COLEMAN ARTHUR A 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/8917'
ELLISTON HENRY WALTER H W 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/9025'
FISHER ALBERT A 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '7705'
FOX WILLIAM W 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/9010'
HART GEORGE WILLIAM G W 24-04-15 Serjeant Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '7389'
HARVEY   F 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '6294'
HOWE JOHN J 24-04-15 Lance Corporal Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '17582'
HURRELL JAMES J 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/8706'
INGREY HARRY ALBERT H A 24-04-15 Lance Corporal Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/8232'
LINDER WILLIAM HENRY W H 24-04-15 Lance Corporal Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '16545'
LOWE JAMES J 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment "C" Coy. 1st Bn. '7471'
PERRY PERCY P 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '16669'
PORTER GEORGE G 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '16496'
PRICHARD ROWLAND GEORGE R G 24-04-15 Lieutenant Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. ''
READ ERNEST E 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/8988'
REEVE JACK J 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment "B" Coy. 1st Bn. '17824'
TURNER HAROLD MARK H M 24-04-15 Corporal Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '8363'
MEAD HENRY CHARLES H C 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '7207'
GRAYSTON ERNEST DANIEL E D 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/8082'
GREEN ALBERT A 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '8409'
GREEN ARTHUR A 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '17382'
GRUBB JAMES J 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '12784'
WOODS JOHN J 24-04-15 Serjeant Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '6506'
WHITE HERBERT GEORGE H G 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '18051'
SOUTHGATE GEORGE STANLEY G S 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '8247'
SOUTHON EDWARD JOHN E J 24-04-15 Serjeant Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '7472'
SHIPP ALBERT GEORGE A G 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '9349'
SIGGS FREDERICK CHARLES F C 24-04-15 Lance Corporal Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '7799'
MORLEY HARRY H 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/9509'
MUNNS GEORGE G 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '16342'
NEGUS ALBERT A 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '18548'
RUDD JOHN J 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment "A" Coy. 1st Bn. '3/9955'
RUDD PERCY NOEL P N 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/8961'
ARNOLD JOHN J 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '9092'
BALES WILLIAM W 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '3/10341'
BOUTTELL   W C 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '15801'
BOYCE STEPHEN S 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '16485'
FRANCIS HENRY ROBERT H R 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '7508'
GARROD ARTHUR JAMES A J 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '9156'
GARWOOD ROBERT JAMES R J 24-04-15 Private Suffolk Regiment 1st Bn. '16943'
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1/6th Bn, Cheshire Regiment attacked St Julien on 31st July 1917

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Good to know! Those Canadians are so slow learning the British ORBAT. :shock:

 

Page 514 of 585 has them (118th Brigade, 39th Division) at Hill Top, getting ready for the attack. At 10:54 am they too Von Tirpitz Farm (TMC 28.D.7.b.3.7), which places them about 1,600 yards northeast of St. Julien. The Germans cut them off and they were forced to retire before noon. By 5p pm they are at Wine House, south of St. Julien (TMC 28.C.18.c.8.9). There is a good sketch map in the war diary (page 556 of 585) showing the lines, the green dotted line being just north of St. Julien. The Black Line was south of South of St. Julien.

 

The only casualty that stands out, that may have got special treatment was Company Serjeant Major James Finn #265012. There are no UNKNOWN Officers on the Menin Gate Memorial.

 

Most certainly, they were probably in St. Julien but not fighting within the village to the same extent that they were in April 1915.

 

It was interesting to look at this case, but it has nowhere to go unless someone finds an obscure reference to a burial within a church. You would think that would have been recorded somewhere. Perhaps the body was left behind and was buried by the locals?

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