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Help with 2 words please


BillyH

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Please see the attached clip from a service record.

Top line appears to read "Appointed Paid L/Cpl + Hunter"

Is it Hunter, and if so what is that?

3rd line reads "Admitted Bullet Wound Arm  :  Mesigny"

Is it Mesigny? and if so is it near Rouen (where the soldier was evacuated from)

 

Thanks for looking,  BillyH.

 

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Billy H,

I think both your interpretations are reasonable, but I do have another suggestion for the first.

My grandfather's record contains the words:

"Appointed a/L.Cpl with pay & assigned duty Vice   L/Cpl F Williams."

Could this be the same?   "Appointed Paid L/Cpl   V[ice] Hunter"  ie in place of Hunter.

I've seen this written several times, and I admit, the phrase is usually written in full, with the rank, and number of the man he's replacing.

Just a thought.

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4 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Billy H,

I think both your interpretations are reasonable, but I do have another suggestion for the first.

My grandfather's record contains the words:

"Appointed a/L.Cpl with pay & assigned duty Vice   L/Cpl F Williams."

Could this be the same?   "Appointed Paid L/Cpl   V[ice] Hunter"  ie in place of Hunter.

I've seen this written several times, and I admit, the phrase is usually written in full, with the rank, and number of the man he's replacing.

Just a thought.

I'd agree with Dai - Looks like a v for 'vice' ( I have seen it written on record as 'vice sgt Smith' i.e.no service number etc)

 

Craig

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Ok, thanks for that Dai & Craig - I will go with the Vice bit.

Can anyone offer an opinion as to  where Mesigny is?

 

BillyH. 

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If it means Hopital Complementaire No. 38, it may have been at Mont-de-Marsan. 

 

(or possibly Bressuire. I have no idea what i'm talking about. Cheers.)

 

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Digging about on this suggests that France was organised into 22 Military Regions (Région Militaire or RM).

 

It appears that the numbering of hôpitaux complémentaires (HCs) was repeated within each RM.

 

In other words there could be up to 22 hospitals called Hôpital complémentaire (HC) n° 38.

 

HC n° 38 at Mont-de-Marsan was in the 18th RM - Bordeaux, which consisted of the following departments: Charente Inférieure (now Charente Maritime), Gironde, Landes, Basses-Pyrénées (now Pyrénées-Atlantiques), and Hautes-Pyrénées. Mont-de-Marsan is in Landes.

 

I'll bravely continue digging to see if I can turn up another HC n° 38 in a place looking more like Mesigny!

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It seems to get worse - in some of these French RM's, the hôpitaux complémentaires are numbered by department.  For example RM 21 - Epinal (Departments (parts) Haute-Saône, Haute-Marne, Vosges, Meurthe-et-Moselle) has three HCs n° 3!  On the positive side, it does not have a HC n° 38  :P

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I've now gone through the RM's that cover the NE of France - RM's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 20.  Could not find data for the Military Medical Service of the Military Government of Paris (GMP).

 

Région Militaires (Military Regions) of France -simplified NE ONLY.jpg

 

1ère RM: Lille
Depts.
Nord and Pas-de-Calais PLUS , Somme, Oise
Re-organised due to enemy occupation and partly merged with 2ème RM into 'Région Nord'

 

Pas-de-Calais
HC n° 38  Boulogne-sur-Mer
- Collège Mariette, 47 rue de Beaurepaire
- 105 lits
- Fonctionne du (7 août 1914 au ? )
- Evacué du 1er septembre au 5 novembre 1914 en exécution d'un ordre de repliement -
Annexe: Boulogne-sur-Mer
- Kursaal, rue Victor Hugo
- Fonctionne du 6 novembre 1914 au 24 décembre 1915 -


2ème RM: Amiens
Depts.
Aisne (discluding the districts of Soissons and Château-Thierry), Oise (excluding the districts of Compiègne and Senlis), Somme, the district of Pontoise (in Seine-et-Oise depart.), the districts of Saint-Denis, Saint-Ouen, Aubervilliers, Noisy-le-Sec and Pantin (in the Seine depart.), the 10th, 19th and 20th Arrndts of Paris, Ardennes (districts of Rocroy, Sedan and Mézières), Meuse district of Montmédy), Meurthe-et-Moselle (districts of Longuyon, Longuy and Audun)

 

Oise
HC n° 38 Chambly -

 

3ème RM: Rouen
Depts.
Calvados, Eure, Seine inférieure, the districts of Mantes and Versailles (in the Seine-et-Oise dept.), the districts of Courbevoie, Puteaux, Asnières, Boulogne-Billancourt, Levallois-Perret, Clichy, Colombes and Neuilly (in the Seine dept.) and the 1st, 7th, 15th and 16th Arrndts of Paris

 

Calvados
HC n° 38  Deauville

- Casino
- 415 lits
- Fonctionne du 15 septembre 1914 au 31 octobre 1916
- Formation mise sur pied le 4 septembre 1914 par les personnels de l'HC n° 37 Dieppe, repliés devant l'ennemi à la date du 4 septembre 1914 -


4ème RM: Le Mans
Depts.
Mayenne, Sarthe, Eure-et-Loire, Orne, the district of Rambouillet (in the Seine-et-Oise dept.), the districts of Ivry, Vanves, Villejuif and Sceaux (in the Seine dept.) and the 4th, 5th, 6th, 13th and 14th Arrndts of Paris

 

Eure-et-Loire  
HC n° 38  Solesmes

- Abbaye des Bénédictines de Saint-Pierre, Marquis de Juigné
- 392 lits
- Fonctionne du 13 mars 1915 au 28 février 1919
- Réservé à la chirurgie osseuse et au traitement chirurgical des tuberculoses osseuses -


5ème RM: Orléans
Depts.
Loiret, Loire-et-Cher, Seine-et-Marne, Yonne, the districts of Corbeil and Etampes (in the Seine-et-Oise dept.), the districts of Charenton, Nogent-sur-Marne, Saint-Maur, Montreuil, and Vincennes (in the Seine dept.) and the 2nd, 3rd, 11th and 12th Arrndts of Paris.

 

Loire-et-Cher
HC n° 38  Pont-le-Voy

- Collège libre
- 375 lits
- Fonctionne du (3 août 1914 au ?) -


6ème RM: Châlons-sur-Marne
Depts.
Aisne (districts of Soissons and Château-Thierry), Oise (districts of Compiègne and Senlis), Ardennes (districts of Vouziers and Rethel), Marne, Meuse (districts of Verdun, Bar-le-Duc and Commercy), a part of Meurthe-et-Moselle department (districts of Briey, Conflans, Chambley, Pont-à-Mousson, Triaucourt), and the 8th, 9th, 17th, 18th Arrdts of Paris.

 

No HC n° 38 in this RM


20ème RM: Nancy
Depts.
Haute-Marne (districts of Wassy and Chaumont, discluding the districts of Chaumont, Arc-en-Barrois, Châteauvillain and Nogent-en-Bassigny), Vosges (districts of Neufchâteau and districts of Charmes, Mirecourt and Vittel), Aube, Meurthe-et-Moselle (discluding the districts of Briey and the districts of Pont-à-Mousson, Thiaucourt, Blâmont, Cirey, Badonviller, Baccarat)

 

No HC n° 38 in this RM

 

 

 

Sorry I haven't translated the French, but it's pretty clear what's going on.  Lits = beds.

 

 

No sign of Mesigny yet though :unsure:

 

 

 

 

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Billy,

Could you post a wider shot of that part of the service record so we can see some more of the clerk's handwriting?

 

Having struck out on the hunt for any 'hôpital complémentaire n° 38' witha name similar to Mesigny, I'd like to look for some places on the IGN Geoportail with alternative spellings - e.g.

Mesigny

Masigny (gives Masigny, 74540 Alby-sur-Chéran - Dptmt 74 - Haute-Savoie)

Masiquy

Mesiquy

Usigny

Vesigny

Vasigny

Vesiquy

etc.

 

It would help greatly to see a bit more of the writer's hand.

 

Also what dates are we talking about?  Some of the French hospitals did not operate for the whole war.

 

Mark

 

 

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Thanks for all the suggestions in the last few hours.

As suggested in the original post I think it must be somewhere near Rouen. Please don't go to endless trouble with this, it isn't overly important!

As requested in the previous post, here is all of the page :

 

BillyH.

 

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There is a place called Mesigny SW of Geneva ...

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