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Tank commanders in their camp at La Lovie


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It's an improvement on the first article they ran on @johntaylor's excellent book - they managed to get his name right this time round.

 

Tank spotters among you will notice that the tank with the Ser No 9891 is a Mk V*.  The tank was part of the 301st US Tank Battalion and it took part in the 2nd Battle of Cambrai in Oct 18.  

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Thanks for posting this - I've actually done the same on the Soldiers section of the Forum.  Gareth, you're right that they got my name right first time (John Taylor isn't exactly the most exotic name in the world).  However in fairness I should point out that they did correct it last time when I pointed out the mistake.

 

The main thing is, it's great that they've featured the photograph, and our research, in this way.

 

All the best, John

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John,

 

Out of idle curiosity, who was the 1950s "Tank" correspondent? Was he an officer?

 

I wonder whether the version of the photograph that was published in the RTR Journal was printed in a poor quality. I feel sure that he could have identified no.14 if he had seen this version.

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Hi IPT, that's a very good point.  The letter was sent by Eric Owen, who was actually in No. 12 Company (though all the officers shown were in No. 11 Company).  He mentions that he saw it in 'I Was There' so it would have been in extremely poor quality - and fact most of Officer no. 14's face is cropped off at the side.

 

I've attached a high quality screenshot and I'm sure he would be identifiable... though sadly I can't place him.

 

As I said in the other thread on this subject, Stephen Pope from the First Tank Crews website was very helpful in this research - in fact he originally pointed out the article by Eric Owen in The Tank.  I will draw his attention to this and see if he can place him.

 

John

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I have a similar version but I don;t have details of the man you identify

 

 

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 I believe it was taken at the same time as this

 

 

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Hi Stephen, thanks for your help with this with was invaluable.  They've chosen to show the names in a different order, but these are entirely consistent (except 'Strothers' should be 'Struthers').

 

Incidentally the Mirror have also run this on their website: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/amazing-story-how-soldiers-photograph-8992946

 

I'd love to identify no. 14 and I'm sure it's not impossible.  We know many of No. 11 Company's officers at the time.  Surely....

 

Thanks again, John

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2 hours ago, delta said:

 

 I believe it was taken at the same time as this

 

 

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Well that's still King reading his paper, and is that the same chap still also reading it?

 

Could be F.C. Talbot. Any chance the collar badge is 4th Dragoon Guards?

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Fred Talbot was commissioned into the Royal Berkshire Regiment before he went to the Heavy Branch.  

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3 hours ago, Gareth Davies said:

Fred Talbot was commissioned into the Royal Berkshire Regiment before he went to the Heavy Branch.  

 

Thanks for that. The MIC was misleading.

 

Talbot should have been there at the time, but he could be the photographer for all we know.

 

Still, I think we'll have this solved soon.

 

 

 

 

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Talbot was one of the section commanders until his death on October 9 - the other section commander, Skinner, is shown in the first photo.  However from what I can tell this doesn't look like him.

 

Plenty more possibilities though.  Shaw, Willis, Benn, Grant, Lloyd to name but a few. Unfortunately I don't think I've seen photos of any of them.

 

John

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This is Captain Wilfred Wyatt.  He's named in the Mail article, and in Stephen's photo above.

 

They're all identified except no. 14 - even the dog!

 

John

 

 

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We know the Dachshund was called Susie but what was the terrier called?

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7 minutes ago, johntaylor said:

This is Captain Wilfred Wyatt.  

 

Of course it is. He's even sitting in the same place!

 

Back to the drawing board. I was all excited too.

 

11 minutes ago, Gareth Davies said:

We know the Dachshund was called Susie but what was the terrier called?

 

Walker, whilst very fond of Susie, appears to remain silent on the matter of the terrier.

 

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Actually there is one more problem apart from Officer no. 14 (and the terrier!).

 

If you look at the full version posted by Stephen, you can see one more officer at the extreme right who wasn't shown in the version used by the Mail and Mirror.

 

He isn't named in the letter which identified the others, and he is therefore also a mystery, though he would be highly recognisable to someone who knew him.

 

Let's call him Officer no. 15..

 

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On 10/7/2016 at 07:45, Gareth Davies said:

Fred Talbot was commissioned into the Royal Berkshire Regiment before he went to the Heavy Branch.  

I didn't  know that! So he possibly knew Dick Haigh before  they were together in 11 company 

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