65th Division

[Neill Gilhooley]

As the 65th (2^nd Lowland) Division saw Home Service there is limited information on them. Can anybody add to what I have here? My main interest is in 2/9^th Royal Scots, 195^th (2/1^st Scottish Rifles) Brigade, and particularly their time in Ireland for which I have very little.

 

The main source is, of course, The Long, Long Trail

http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/order-of-battle-of-divisions/65th-2nd-lowland-division/

In essence formed September 1914(?), they moved from Scotland to Essex in March 1916 then Ireland in January 1917 (195^th Bde to Fermoy, Tralee, Limerick, Moore Park and Kilworth) before being disbanded March+ 1918.

 

Wikipedia has this on 221^st Mixed Brigade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/221st_Mixed_Brigade

This in turn points at: Provisional Brigade info by David Porter

and WO 95/5458 221 Mixed Brigade HQ, not yet digitised http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7364649

 

For 2/9^th Royal Scots I have: On the 21st March 1916 2/9 RS moved to Witham. A, C and D Coys formed a detachment in the villages of Wickham Bishops and Great Totham. On 8th June 1916 they moved to camp near Terling along with the rest of 195^th Brigade.

I’ve listed the drafts from 2/9^th in my index of personnel (version 3, work in progress) https://neillgilhooley.com/9th-royal-scots/index/

A photograph from Totham is here http://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/can-anyone-help-me-date-this-ww1-photo-please.246514/

 

Other links:

There’s a good diary of Adam Douglas Palmer, RAMC, posted by MACRAE here: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/142317-ramc-diary-1916/2/5^th HLI info here from Graham Stewart https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/50289-reserve-btns/?do=findComment&comment=4294412/6^th HLI info here from Greenwoodman https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/6-researching-a-soldiers-movements/?do=findComment&comment=150

 

 

2/6^th Cameronians info here from Malcolm https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/24847-26th-battalion-scottish-rifles/?do=findComment&comment=1936922/4^th, 2/5^th and 2/6^th Royal Scots info here from Lost in Tilloy https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/76257-royal-scots/?do=findComment&comment=697191

 

2/7^th Royal Scots info here, with photos, from Lachlan https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/161534-27th-batt-royal-scots-tf/ 

 

 

[Neill Gilhooley]

These pictures, from the studio of Fred Spalding, came to me courtesy of Alan Ridgeway via Alan Wicker. I am grateful to them for their help.

Shire Hall: The 2nd Line Battalions of the Royal Scots, marching past The Shire Hall, Chelmsford March 1916 - January 1917

Boreham: King George V passed through Boreham 14th July 1916. General Theodore Stephenson, commanding 65th Division, is in the front seat of the car. In the background are Cloughs Cottages. 2/7th Royal Scots line the route in front of the Cock Inn.

Chelmsford Area: Soldiers of the RS and RA

Edited 28 September , 2016 by Neill Gilhooley

[matthew lucas]

The photo of the 2/9th in Limerick should show my g great uncle who was the rsm from 15 to 18. Would anyone be able  be able to ud the rsm in the photo? He  should have the 1895 igs and south africa medal and possibly volunteer or tf medal to.

matt

[Neill Gilhooley]

Limerick, photo marked C. Knight

I'm wondering if this is the same location:

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/group-9th-royal-scots-dandy-ninth-249273621

This might be Strand Barracks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strand_Barracks

The barracks had similar wooden doors about that time http://www.memorylanelimerick.com/p789927387/h210c563a#h210c563a and a view across the river (from the house next door) looks similar http://www.memorylanelimerick.com/p789927387/h355dd419#h355dd419

A courtyard photo http://fromlimerickwithlove.limerick.ie/content/presentation-tom-kennedy-limerick-corporation-yard-strand-barracks

This plan suggests the modern flats have left only the front of the barracks http://www.conniemackey.com/gallery/index.php?id=23

Edited 21 September , 2016 by Neill Gilhooley

[Neill Gilhooley]

This picture on eBay (not my sale...) shows Royal Scots in Ireland "postcard of a group of a Sergeant and his section serving with the Royal Scots [ 2nd line Territorials ] in Ireland during March 1917. Inscribed to the reverse " To Dear Doll Love from Bert. Taken at Dollmourh [?], Ireland March 1917 "."

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW1-Soldier-Group-Royal-Scots-TF-Territorials-Ireland-March-1917-Fermoy-area/401177433166?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D39012%26meid%3D874a4a90972d4597b144234629353abe%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D152286809636

Edited 24 October , 2016 by Neill Gilhooley

[Neill Gilhooley]

This is all I see at IWM: http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1030019002

[mikepapa]

Hi 

Would anyone know the name of the CO of this unit the 2/9th  during its time in Limerick. A Picture would also be great if possible

[mikepapa]

Here is another picture of the inside of the Strand Bks when Limerick corporation had possession of the Building 

[Neill Gilhooley]

10 hours ago, mikepapa said:

the name of the CO of this unit the 2/9th  during its time in Limerick

Lt-Col Arthur Frederick Egerton...

Edited 12 February , 2018 by Neill Gilhooley

[Neill Gilhooley]

Janet Gyford has done some excellent work on the history of Witham, Essex which includes some information and photographs of the division.

https://www.janetgyford.com/old-photo-of-first-world-war-soldiers-marching-past-spurges-no-76/