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HELP! Jutland ships ID


seaJane

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I'm sorry to be a nuisance ... I have a powerpoint kindly supplied to me by a colleague about Jutland, and a crib sheet to the (un-captioned) images, supplied by another colleague.

 

But the two don't altogether match! And my ship ID skills are rather off the bottom of the scale.

 

I am trying to identify the images of DEFENCE, BLACK PRINCE, BARHAM, IRON DUKE, BENBOW, TIGER, MINOTAUR and PRINCESS ROYAL.

 

Would any kind souls be willing to let me e-mail them the power-point and crib to see what they can make of it? I really want to get this off my desk as soon as possible ... 

 

Thank you :blush:

 

seaJane

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If you google each ships name and WW1 you might get a picture from naval history.

This one is HMS Defence. 4 x funnels large gun clearly shown. As long as some are not the same class there might be easily seen differences.

From naval history. net

PhotoWW1-05csDefence1NP.JPG

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That's very kind of you John, but for various reasons I'm keen to use the images I have been sent.  I can certainly use Google but it's a bit of a last resort this time.

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I must have misread the question. I thought that you have some uncaptioned pics you want to ID?

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Yup, but I think I may have misread your answer and thought you were suggesting that I should find replacement pictures via Google - oops, sorry.

 

I have just realised that I can take ARDENT and SHARK off the list anyway, which is something. 

 

sJ

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Happy to try to help and have messaged you with my email. One problem is that Iron Duke and Benbow were sisters and I'm not sure how different they were.

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Thanks - seen your message :)

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Wiki shows some photos and also side etc drawings which may help.

Obviously there is a reason you haven't asked your colleague to provide captions, but as you're trying your best here are Wiki links which may narrow down some of the more dissimilar ships!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Black_Prince_(1904) 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Barham_(04)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Iron_Duke_(1912)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Benbow_(1913)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Tiger_(1913)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Minotaur_(1906)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Princess_Royal_(1911)

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I did ask colleague to send captions, and she sent a document with a list of them with a note saying that she hoped they were all right as she was now going on leave - before I realised that there was only a part match. Under the circumstances I don't like to bother other colleagues who will be at least as busy if not more so.

 

Unfortunately I even doubt my ability to match two photos of the same ship :blush:

so thank you for your help.

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Iron Duke should hopefully look a bit like this............

 

As she was at Jutland - and made by my own fair hands

 

Regards,

Mike

 

 

Iron Duke.JPG

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Thank you ... !

 

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18 hours ago, Medaler said:

Iron Duke should hopefully look a bit like this............

 

... and Barham was of a generally similar design, but with thicker funnels and no main gun turret immediately behind the after funnel (bigger guns meant a heavier broadside from 8 guns in 4 turrets than Iron Duke's 10 guns in 5).

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50 minutes ago, MikB said:

 

... and Barham was of a generally similar design, but with thicker funnels and no main gun turret immediately behind the after funnel (bigger guns meant a heavier broadside from 8 guns in 4 turrets than Iron Duke's 10 guns in 5).

 

This might be a better view of the Duke then - Shows the turrets more clearly........

 

 

Iron Duke 2.JPG

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Tiger and Princess Royal both had 3 funnels and a main armament of 4 twin turrets: 2 forward, 1 midships and 1 aft. Tiger's turrets were evenly spaced, with the midships turret aft of the funnels. Princess Royal's midships turret was between the centre and aft funnels, with the centre funnel being much closer to the forward one than to the aft one.

Black Prince had 4 funnels and 6 single turrets, 1 forward, 1 aft and 2 on each side. She also had 10 guns in casemates, 5 on each side.

 

Minotaur and Defence were sister ships and you would have to be very expert on ship recognition to tell them apart. They both had 4 funnels, a twin turret forward, another twin turret aft and 5 single turrets on each side.

 

Iron Duke and Benbow were also sisters, so hard to tell apart.

 

This is a long shot but worth a try. Right click on a picture and select 'save as' from the menu. The dialog box that appears might show the name of the picture which might include the ship's name. It will, however, probably just say Picture1.

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Thanks Gibbo - I'll see what happens ...

:)

sJ

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