GrenPen Posted 20 May , 2016 Share Posted 20 May , 2016 Hi, On 9 August, FindMyPast announced a record set - Battle of Jutland 1916 servicemen Transcription - being launched ahead of the centenary of the battle. Are there any FMP users out there that have experienced any difficulty in accessing the RNVR element of this? Here are the details for one such RNVR rating: Name Ahlborn, Charles Carl Oscar ValentineService Number: Z/5772RNVR Division: TynesideDate of Birth: 14 February 1885 ADM 337/74/225 I have tried to access it via "Lives of the First World War", but it just hangs, and I wondered if others encountered these same issues? Nearly 2000 RNVR ratings were at Jutland. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 20 May , 2016 Share Posted 20 May , 2016 I've tried Ahlborn and found the same problem - http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm337%2f74%2f00225&parentid=gbm%2fjutland%2f02950&highlights=%22%22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 21 May , 2016 Share Posted 21 May , 2016 I could not access the image either. You could report it as an image error. There is an icon down the bottom of the image page which says "Report image error". Or you could write to findmypast. Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 21 May , 2016 Share Posted 21 May , 2016 The FMP website states "The collection is not comprehensive and there may be some gaps." Since the "collection" seems to be just a re-hash of various ADM records from Kew, it may be easier to just download the original Kew offering, from ADM 337 in this case. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7697634 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFBSM Posted 21 May , 2016 Share Posted 21 May , 2016 (edited) I have just tried to access the record for Albert Collyer, his record is available, and the relevant image is that of the service record available elsewhere. From the British Royal Navy Seamen: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm188%2f510%2f0%2f0152&parentid=gbm%2fadm188%2f60985&highlights=%22%22 From the Jutland Records: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm188%2f510%2f0%2f0152&parentid=gbm%2fjutland%2f22314&highlights=%22%22 Mark Edit: Addition of links for images Edited 21 May , 2016 by BFBSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 21 May , 2016 Share Posted 21 May , 2016 I can now access this image, but I could not previously. Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrenPen Posted 21 May , 2016 Author Share Posted 21 May , 2016 Thanks for your assistance. I am still waking up, and the first coffee of the day has yet to kick in, so I have a few questions to ask. Maureen, what is the name and the number of the person whose record you can now access? Is it Z/5772 Ahlborn? This image was not appearing in FMP but it is now? Mark, if I understood correctly, you performed a search on a regular (i.e. non RNVR) sailor Albert Collyer 311652? ADM 188/510/311652. I can access this image in Lives of the First World War. Can you access the record for this man via FMP: Z/2466 Albert Edward Collyer? IPT, thanks for confirming you were unable to access the image in FMP ten hours ago. I am trying to ascertain in FMP users are having similar issues in accessing RNVR records via the Jutland dataset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 21 May , 2016 Share Posted 21 May , 2016 Sorry for my incorrect statement, I must have been asleep too. The current situation is that I cannot access through findmypast, the Jutland image for Ahlborn, although I can access what is called the transcription, (although its not). I can also access the Jutland image for Albert Collyer, mentioned above, which indicates the problem does not apply to every Jutland record, and there is some problem with the Ahlborn image. Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFBSM Posted 21 May , 2016 Share Posted 21 May , 2016 Mark, if I understood correctly, you performed a search on a regular (i.e. non RNVR) sailor Albert Collyer 311652? ADM 188/510/311652. I can access this image in Lives of the First World War. Can you access the record for this man via FMP: Z/2466 Albert Edward Collyer?. I haven't found Z/2466 Albert Edward Collyer on FMP, except in the Medal Records: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm171%2f000331 I have found some records for Ahlborn which can be accessed, including images: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm339%2f465 http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm171%2f000331 Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 21 May , 2016 Share Posted 21 May , 2016 The transcriptions I have accessed on findmypaft are : http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fjutland%2f02950 Record set British Royal Navy & Royal Marines, Battle of Jutland 1916 servicemen Piece number 74 Series ADM 337 First name(s) Charles Carl Oscar Valentine Last name Ahlborn Birth year 1885 Service number - Rank - Ship name Erin Birth town - Archive reference ADM 337/74 Birth date 14 Feb 1885 RNVR division Tyneside Department ADM Archive The National Archives Document number 231 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fjutland%2f22314 Record set British Royal Navy & Royal Marines, Battle of Jutland 1916 servicemen Piece number 510 Series ADM 188 First name(s) Albert Last name Collyer Birth year 1884 Service number - Rank - Ship name Barham Birth town Chobham Birth county Surrey Birth country England Archive reference ADM 188/510/311652 Birth date 01 Aug 1884 Archive The National Archives Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain The image for Ahlborn will not open, but that for Collyer will. Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrenPen Posted 21 May , 2016 Author Share Posted 21 May , 2016 Hi Maureen, thanks for letting me know that the "Regular" RN record image for Collyer (reference ADM 188/510/311652) can be opened, but the RNVR record image for Ahlborn cannot. There is a similar subset affected, that of RNR Officers whose details are in the ADM 240 series. The "Regular" officers in ADM 196 are unaffected.What I have found with the RNVR records is that the incorrect reference number has been captured. If this is combined with surname and name, perhaps this is why the query hangs, and fails to progress. Perhaps this was rolled out in haste, with little or no testing beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1RGLI Posted 29 May , 2016 Share Posted 29 May , 2016 GrenPen, Yes agree the Find My Past Database, "British Royal Navy & Royal Marines, Battle Of Jutland 1916 Servicemen", would appear to be at best hack of data from others they hold, with a not very accurate sweep of data, in that context. It would appear to have been hastily got together. That said I'm pleased that they have had a go, and it has been of help in my case. I have been collating Channel Islands roll of Honour and Service specifically for Jutland and as a result found may errors or omissions from thier Jutland servicemen, it is bar far not complete. That said it is a good starting point and has been very helpful for me to get more chaps confirmed in a quicker time frame with added validation. Our Channel Islands Jutland list is also not complete but what we have so far can be seen at the website link below. http://www.greatwarci.net/navy/jutland/index.htm all the best, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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