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RNVR at Jutland and FindMyPast


GrenPen
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Hi,

On 9 August, FindMyPast announced a record set - Battle of Jutland 1916 servicemen Transcription - being launched ahead of the centenary of the battle.

Are there any FMP users out there that have experienced any difficulty in accessing the RNVR element of this?

Here are the details for one such RNVR rating:

Name Ahlborn, Charles Carl Oscar Valentine
Service Number: Z/5772
RNVR Division: Tyneside
Date of Birth: 14 February 1885

ADM 337/74/225

I have tried to access it via "Lives of the First World War", but it just hangs, and I wondered if others encountered these same issues?

Nearly 2000 RNVR ratings were at Jutland.

Regards

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I could not access the image either. You could report it as an image error. There is an icon down the bottom of the image page which says "Report image error". Or you could write to findmypast.

Cheers

Maureen

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I have just tried to access the record for Albert Collyer, his record is available, and the relevant image is that of the service record available elsewhere.

From the British Royal Navy Seamen: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm188%2f510%2f0%2f0152&parentid=gbm%2fadm188%2f60985&highlights=%22%22

From the Jutland Records: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm188%2f510%2f0%2f0152&parentid=gbm%2fjutland%2f22314&highlights=%22%22

Mark

Edit: Addition of links for images

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Thanks for your assistance. I am still waking up, and the first coffee of the day has yet to kick in, so I have a few questions to ask.

Maureen, what is the name and the number of the person whose record you can now access? Is it Z/5772 Ahlborn? This image was not appearing in FMP but it is now?

Mark, if I understood correctly, you performed a search on a regular (i.e. non RNVR) sailor Albert Collyer 311652? ADM 188/510/311652. I can access this image in Lives of the First World War. Can you access the record for this man via FMP: Z/2466 Albert Edward Collyer?

IPT, thanks for confirming you were unable to access the image in FMP ten hours ago.

I am trying to ascertain in FMP users are having similar issues in accessing RNVR records via the Jutland dataset.

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Sorry for my incorrect statement, I must have been asleep too. The current situation is that I cannot access through findmypast, the Jutland image for Ahlborn, although I can access what is called the transcription, (although its not).

I can also access the Jutland image for Albert Collyer, mentioned above, which indicates the problem does not apply to every Jutland record, and there is some problem with the Ahlborn image.

Cheers

Maureen

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Mark, if I understood correctly, you performed a search on a regular (i.e. non RNVR) sailor Albert Collyer 311652? ADM 188/510/311652. I can access this image in Lives of the First World War. Can you access the record for this man via FMP: Z/2466 Albert Edward Collyer?.

I haven't found Z/2466 Albert Edward Collyer on FMP, except in the Medal Records: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm171%2f000331

I have found some records for Ahlborn which can be accessed, including images:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm339%2f465

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fadm171%2f000331

Mark

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The transcriptions I have accessed on findmypaft are :

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fjutland%2f02950

Record set British Royal Navy & Royal Marines, Battle of Jutland 1916 servicemen

Piece number 74

Series ADM 337

First name(s) Charles Carl Oscar Valentine

Last name Ahlborn

Birth year 1885

Service number -

Rank -

Ship name Erin

Birth town -

Archive reference ADM 337/74

Birth date 14 Feb 1885

RNVR division Tyneside

Department ADM

Archive The National Archives

Document number 231

Category Military, armed forces & conflict

Subcategory First World War

Collections from Great Britain

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fjutland%2f22314

Record set British Royal Navy & Royal Marines, Battle of Jutland 1916 servicemen

Piece number 510

Series ADM 188

First name(s) Albert

Last name Collyer

Birth year 1884

Service number -

Rank -

Ship name Barham

Birth town Chobham

Birth county Surrey

Birth country England

Archive reference ADM 188/510/311652

Birth date 01 Aug 1884

Archive The National Archives

Category Military, armed forces & conflict

Subcategory First World War

Collections from Great Britain

The image for Ahlborn will not open, but that for Collyer will.

Cheers

Maureen

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Hi Maureen, thanks for letting me know that the "Regular" RN record image for Collyer (reference ADM 188/510/311652) can be opened, but the RNVR record image for Ahlborn cannot.

There is a similar subset affected, that of RNR Officers whose details are in the ADM 240 series. The "Regular" officers in ADM 196 are unaffected.

What I have found with the RNVR records is that the incorrect reference number has been captured. If this is combined with surname and name, perhaps this is why the query hangs, and fails to progress.

Perhaps this was rolled out in haste, with little or no testing beforehand.

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GrenPen,

Yes agree the Find My Past Database, "British Royal Navy & Royal Marines, Battle Of Jutland 1916 Servicemen", would appear to be at best hack of data from others they hold, with a not very accurate sweep of data, in that context. It would appear to have been hastily got together. That said I'm pleased that they have had a go, and it has been of help in my case.

I have been collating Channel Islands roll of Honour and Service specifically for Jutland and as a result found may errors or omissions from thier Jutland servicemen, it is bar far not complete. That said it is a good starting point and has been very helpful for me to get more chaps confirmed in a quicker time frame with added validation.

Our Channel Islands Jutland list is also not complete but what we have so far can be seen at the website link below.

http://www.greatwarci.net/navy/jutland/index.htm

all the best,

Mark.

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