Greek infantry at Gallipoli

[Guest]

Hi I'm a Greek Kiwi interested in Gallipoli [Greek : Kallipolis] ...have a look at the shoes worn by one of the guards in the second photo above . Do you see the Greek pom -poms ...!!!!

The features look like young Greek boys . Check out my face book page ... Nicholas John Papadopoulos ,Auckland ,New Zealand -works at ADHB  [I give the last bit about where i work as there are probably dozens of Nick P's on  Face -book  -you will see the battle diorama of ANZAC cove that i made up . Still rather unpopulated with little [1/72nd scale ]men at that point but much fuller now -need to add more recent photos .

Edited 20 June , 2019 by Guest
To add info about my diorama of ANZAC cove

[Guest]

The photo I am referring to was posted by -Keith_history_buff ... the Greek shoes are called 'Tsarouhia '  they are part of the national costume with the white kilt ,etc . But these young men are dressed either with Zouave jackets or Tirauellers [sp ?] . The officer in white is obviously French .

[Keith_history_buff]

20 hours ago, Keith_history_buff said:

I have tried to enlarge the photo, and rather than appearing like the sand coloured conventional uniform of the Infanterie Coloniale, they appear to be wearing dark coloured headdress and the shama jackets usually associated with the Zouaves. Given that the Tirailleurs Algeriens did not deploy to Gallipoli, it seems peculiar that this uniform turned up on Lemnos.

Two images of Turkish prisoners being escorted by guards in light coloured shama jackets and dark headdresses.

 

 

To deviate somewhat, and mention the uniform of the Tirailleurs.
What I have seen in most cases is a lighter blue shade for the jacket, and lace in yellow. The Zouaves seem to have worn red lace.

The following photo, of unknown provenance, does look similar to the above
https://tenes.info/nostalgie/TIRAILAVANT/blida_1er_r_giement_de_tirailleurs_alg_riens

This web page, created in honour of an ancestor in the Tirailleurs Algeriens, has some fetching images, with the image at the bottom showing a lighter blue shade for the jacket, and lace in yellow.
http://www.charley-kieffer.fr/RepSoldats/Belamri_Mohamed.htm

Further up the page, the black and white photo is similar to the uniform in the two photos above.


 

 

 

[Guest]

Mates,

 

Interesting fact that Maj Nesat Bey, who commanded the Saros Bay Arty Group (Agir) Heavy around Aug 1915.

 

He had commanded the 1Bn/ 4th (Agir) Heavy (fortress) Arty Regt, in the forts along the Dardenelles early that year.

 

S.B

[Lemnos Jim]

On 20/06/2019 at 05:32, Keith_history_buff said:

I have tried to enlarge the photo, and rather than appearing like the sand coloured conventional uniform of the Infanterie Coloniale, they appear to be wearing dark coloured headdress and the shama jackets usually associated with the Zouaves. Given that the Tirailleurs Algeriens did not deploy to Gallipoli, it seems peculiar that this uniform turned up on Lemnos.

Two images of Turkish prisoners being escorted by guards in light coloured shama jackets and dark headdresses.

 

 

Dear Keith - Here is a photograph held in the State Library of Victoria in Australia in a collection of an unknown soldier. These are wearing very similar uniforms to those photographed by Brooks above and would appear to be the Greek Asia Minor volunteers who fought in the French service at Gallipoili and then on the Salonika Front. The photograph depicts them on Lemnos during the campaign, probably before being sent to the Helles front. There are also a couple of other photographs taken by Brooks which show similarly dressed soldiers at Helles. The link to this photograph and the collection is as follows:

 

 

[Lemnos Jim]

Here is another photograph held by the IWM of these Greek volunteers taken by Brooks, this time on Lemnos. Title states that these are "Greek soldiers and the Royal Navy Blue Jackets who have exchanged hats." The link to the photograph is as follows: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205248978

[Lemnos Jim]

By the way, one of the Greek soldiers is definitely wearing traditional Greek shoes or tsaroukia - the pom-pom shoes in the centre.

[Lemnos Jim]

Here is another photograph from the IWM which appears to show some of the same Greek soldiers (in the background, note the similar fur hat on the soldier in the centre rear) at Helles, with Anzac soldiers. The link to the image is as follows:

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205248569

[Lemnos Jim]

The two photos from the IWM posted earlier have been taken on Lemnos - you can see the large church at Mudros on the hill in the background, as well as the windmills which were there in 1915.

[stirrer]

These photos are in my grandfather's album and were taken on board his ship "Menominee".   I assume the group of officers are POWs as they appear to be carrying no sidearms?

[Keith_history_buff]

An interesting picture of a Greek soldier taken during the Salonika campaign in 1917, also wearing the 'Tsarouhia ' pom pom adorned footwear. ('Menominee is also known to have sailed from Salonica on May 31, 1917 (for Marseilles?).')

[stirrer]

Menominee arrived Marseilles 04 June 1917.  My grandfather was her Master.  The photo of men in the well-deck is simply captioned "Greek Prisoners".  There is a similar photo In his albums captioned "Bulgarian Prisoners"

[Keith_history_buff]

Details of one Cretan fatality from the French "Mémoire des Hommes" website:

Vasilios Basile TSISTRAKIS
Mort pour la France le 30-08-1915 (Seddul Bahr, Turquie)
Né(e) le/en 05-1895 à Castelli, Crête (Grèce)

Carrière
Grade: soldat de 2e classe
Unité: 1er régiment de marche d'Afrique (1er RMA)
Classe: 1915 (EV)
Bureau de recrutement: Marseille (13)
Matricule au recrutement: 644
Matricule au corps: 27171
Mention: Mort pour la France
Genre de mort: suites de blessures de guerre
Lieu de transcription du décès: Paris 1er arrondissement (75 - Paris (ex Seine), France)